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Because Elon doesn't operate under the same jurisdiction as us common people. Try calling out a random diver a 'pedo', or perform the most cynical kind of mark

Because Elon doesn't operate under the same jurisdiction as us common people. Try calling out a random diver a 'pedo', or perform the most cynical kind of market manipulation (then laughing to the SEC at their face) and your outcome will be very different. It's Animal Farm all over.

optimiz3 5y ago
> Elon doesn't operate under the same jurisdiction as us common people. Elon doesn't get any special treatment. You can do all these things as well if you're willing to expend resources when faced with repercussions. My suspicion though is society will give you more slack if you dramatically increase access to space for your nation state or make credible progress against a global ecological problem humanity is facing. > It's Animal Farm all over Don't get the Animal Farm reference as we're not talking about some sort of proto-communist utopia. Everyone is playing in the same sandbox.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  Disclaimer: I'm all pro-capitalism and I love my money, so, with that said. >Everyone is playing in the same sandbox. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
  - optimiz3 5y ago
    > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! Defeatist thinking. As they say, pessimists get to be right, but optimists get to be rich.
    - arrow7000 5y ago
      How's that working out for you?
      - optimiz3 5y ago
        My oldest TSLA shares are from back in 2013; other decisions along these lines have given me the freedom to pursue what I love in life.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      It's really not optimism, it's self-delusion that does improve the chance of sucessful outcomes. If I recall correctly Hayek actually writes about it as some point, I can't recall exactly where though.
      - SZJX 5y ago
        It surely has a limit though. If you don’t have any actual skills and the hours put into acquiring them, but only bluff with buzzwords and delude yourself into believing that you have said skills while in reality you’re far, far from those who have actually put in the hours and mastered them, you won’t actually get very far. Of course in the OP’s case, things like buying Tesla stocks or crypto back in the day might have made him rich, but it might not have that much to do with being “optimistic”/“pessimistic”, but instead might be more a case of “getting lucky” I guess.
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        Definitely. Personally I'd never try to delude myself.
dnautics 5y ago
Actually most of us can do any or all of the following things that Elon did (write a tweet calling a diver a pedo, write a tweet claiming that a stock will go to 420 huh huh, tweet random nonsense about cryptos, criticize the SEC or FAA, etc.) with very little consequence, if any.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  Step 1: Become the CEO/major shareholder of a billion+ dollar company. Step 2: Publicly lie about some purported acquisition with the purpose of manipulating the stock of said company. We can talk after you've done that, from jail probably.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    My point is, I can lie about purported acquisitions of companies now.
    - moralestapia 5y ago
      Come on, dnautics. This is not hard. You're neither an insider of said companies, nor are you a public figure with enough influence to actually manipulate the market.
      - dnautics 5y ago
        I think the problem is that we expect the market to be fair. Because a lot of social systems depend "on the market" in really stupid ways. Maybe that's the real problem. If CEO's wanna lie, then we shouldn't trust them, but is it right for it to be illegal for them to do so? I promise you every CEO has lied (uncharitably, misreprented, charitably) at some point about their company. So in the end, it can come down to a matter of which CEO has the most political connections/political favor so as not to get jacked by the state that can arbitrarily choose to reinterpret a misrepresentation as a lie. I'm a person that actively gets politically disfavored (overrepresented minority, and all that) so that sort of shit scares the fuck out of me, since I would like to get a large amount of money to help change society for the better.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> Try calling out a random diver a 'pedo', or perform the most cynical kind of market manipulation (then laughing to the SEC at their face) and your outcome will be very different. Not just any random diver, a diver who had just helped rescue the lives of several children and adults from what was an internationally known emergency. If any of us had said what Musk said about the diver, we'd be rightfully dragged through the mud.
- pie420 5y ago
  Are you actually implying that Elongated Muskrat wasn't dragged through the mud for that? The fact that everyone still talks about it years later should be proof enough, but keep living in your little world buddy
BrissyCoder 5y ago
It's been a while since I read it... What's the Animal Farm reference here?
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
- delecti 5y ago
  Something along the lines of "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". Everyone has access to the same legal system, but some people have more access than others.

optimiz3 5y ago

> Elon doesn't operate under the same jurisdiction as us common people. Elon doesn't get any special treatment. You can do all these things as well if you're willing to expend resources when faced with repercussions. My suspicion though is society will give you more slack if you dramatically increase access to space for your nation state or make credible progress against a global ecological problem humanity is facing. > It's Animal Farm all over Don't get the Animal Farm reference as we're not talking about some sort of proto-communist utopia. Everyone is playing in the same sandbox.

moralestapia 5y ago
Disclaimer: I'm all pro-capitalism and I love my money, so, with that said. >Everyone is playing in the same sandbox. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
- optimiz3 5y ago
  > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! Defeatist thinking. As they say, pessimists get to be right, but optimists get to be rich.
  - arrow7000 5y ago
    How's that working out for you?
    - optimiz3 5y ago
      My oldest TSLA shares are from back in 2013; other decisions along these lines have given me the freedom to pursue what I love in life.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It's really not optimism, it's self-delusion that does improve the chance of sucessful outcomes. If I recall correctly Hayek actually writes about it as some point, I can't recall exactly where though.
    - SZJX 5y ago
      It surely has a limit though. If you don’t have any actual skills and the hours put into acquiring them, but only bluff with buzzwords and delude yourself into believing that you have said skills while in reality you’re far, far from those who have actually put in the hours and mastered them, you won’t actually get very far. Of course in the OP’s case, things like buying Tesla stocks or crypto back in the day might have made him rich, but it might not have that much to do with being “optimistic”/“pessimistic”, but instead might be more a case of “getting lucky” I guess.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        Definitely. Personally I'd never try to delude myself.

dnautics 5y ago

Actually most of us can do any or all of the following things that Elon did (write a tweet calling a diver a pedo, write a tweet claiming that a stock will go to 420 huh huh, tweet random nonsense about cryptos, criticize the SEC or FAA, etc.) with very little consequence, if any.

moralestapia 5y ago
Step 1: Become the CEO/major shareholder of a billion+ dollar company. Step 2: Publicly lie about some purported acquisition with the purpose of manipulating the stock of said company. We can talk after you've done that, from jail probably.
- dnautics 5y ago
  My point is, I can lie about purported acquisitions of companies now.
  - moralestapia 5y ago
    Come on, dnautics. This is not hard. You're neither an insider of said companies, nor are you a public figure with enough influence to actually manipulate the market.
    - dnautics 5y ago
      I think the problem is that we expect the market to be fair. Because a lot of social systems depend "on the market" in really stupid ways. Maybe that's the real problem. If CEO's wanna lie, then we shouldn't trust them, but is it right for it to be illegal for them to do so? I promise you every CEO has lied (uncharitably, misreprented, charitably) at some point about their company. So in the end, it can come down to a matter of which CEO has the most political connections/political favor so as not to get jacked by the state that can arbitrarily choose to reinterpret a misrepresentation as a lie. I'm a person that actively gets politically disfavored (overrepresented minority, and all that) so that sort of shit scares the fuck out of me, since I would like to get a large amount of money to help change society for the better.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Try calling out a random diver a 'pedo', or perform the most cynical kind of market manipulation (then laughing to the SEC at their face) and your outcome will be very different. Not just any random diver, a diver who had just helped rescue the lives of several children and adults from what was an internationally known emergency. If any of us had said what Musk said about the diver, we'd be rightfully dragged through the mud.

pie420 5y ago
Are you actually implying that Elongated Muskrat wasn't dragged through the mud for that? The fact that everyone still talks about it years later should be proof enough, but keep living in your little world buddy

BrissyCoder 5y ago

It's been a while since I read it... What's the Animal Farm reference here?

smnrchrds 5y ago
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
delecti 5y ago
Something along the lines of "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". Everyone has access to the same legal system, but some people have more access than others.