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Well you're just going to have to un-grow out of that delusion because in the real world absolutely nothing is free.

by saturn 15y ago

a3camero 15y ago
Wrong. The vast majority of the world is free. Friendships are free. Families are free. Nature is free (in Canada, much of it is). Not really the free you're looking for? Feel free to walk around on public property and enjoy your right to free speech (talking to people is free). Local libraries have free books and free internet, the news is free (CBC), although I'll grant you that these are run by the government but if you're living a near $0 life you're probably not paying a lot of taxes. Running for MP (federal government) here isn't quite free but the $500 you get back at the end unless you don't fill in some forms properly. Facebook is free, Google is free, Hacker News is free... Although these are ad-supported. There's a whole world of free stuff available through .torrent but I'll admit most of that others would like not to be free. How about free music? Jamendo? Wrong sort of free? How about buskers or my neighbours that play guitar and classical music on their balcony (they're actually pretty good). Oh, you mean other stuff? A $0 price point isn't far off of where many internet services are headed. EC2 is incredibly cheap. Compare that to what a server cost even ten years ago. Name your backbone service: it's aiming for free and making it up in volume. The $0 price point is not a delusion.
- ceejayoz 15y ago
  > Families are free. Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaha.
  - a3camero 15y ago
    Haha. Ok ok, children cost $166k in Canada to raise: http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/family/ http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/family/ It is possible to have a family that doesn't cost you money. Having kids is expensive... "Family" is a bad example. True.
    - Game_Ender 15y ago
      Family costs you money/time because relationships are a two way street. You help people and they help you.
- duggan 15y ago
  You might not pay in dollars all the time, but you're always paying. Friendships are a two way street. So is family. You can not hold up your end of the "deal", but see how long that lasts. Talking to people costs time (something we all have a limited supply of). Nature and public property? Really? Do you also not pay taxes in Canada? Free speech isn't free, it costs (and continues to cost) lives (and, again, tax for government, judiciary...) It doesn't sound like you've ever actually run an EC2 cluster either. It's 10 cent/hour for a large instance (2 ECU, 7.5GB RAM) which is close to 900 dollars a year per machine. This is not even close to free. Films and music have never been free, you just haven't been paying for them. There's a difference. Just because you don't pay for something doesn't mean it's free. Some of the people can scrounge some of the time, but all of the people can't scrounge all of the time.

Well you're just going to have to un-grow out of that delusion because in the real world absolutely nothing is free.

by saturn 15y ago

Well you're just going to have to un-grow out of that delusion because in the real world absolutely nothing is free.

Wrong. The vast majority of the world is free. Friendships are free. Families are free. Nature is free (in Canada, much of it is). Not really the free you're looking for? Feel free to walk around on public property and enjoy your right to free speech (talking to people is free). Local libraries have free books and free internet, the news is free (CBC), although I'll grant you that these are run by the government but if you're living a near $0 life you're probably not paying a lot of taxes. Running for MP (federal government) here isn't quite free but the $500 you get back at the end unless you don't fill in some forms properly. Facebook is free, Google is free, Hacker News is free... Although these are ad-supported. There's a whole world of free stuff available through .torrent but I'll admit most of that others would like not to be free. How about free music? Jamendo? Wrong sort of free? How about buskers or my neighbours that play guitar and classical music on their balcony (they're actually pretty good). Oh, you mean other stuff? A $0 price point isn't far off of where many internet services are headed. EC2 is incredibly cheap. Compare that to what a server cost even ten years ago. Name your backbone service: it's aiming for free and making it up in volume. The $0 price point is not a delusion.

ceejayoz 15y ago
> Families are free. Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaha.
- a3camero 15y ago
  Haha. Ok ok, children cost $166k in Canada to raise: http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/family/ http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/family/ It is possible to have a family that doesn't cost you money. Having kids is expensive... "Family" is a bad example. True.
  - Game_Ender 15y ago
    Family costs you money/time because relationships are a two way street. You help people and they help you.
duggan 15y ago
You might not pay in dollars all the time, but you're always paying. Friendships are a two way street. So is family. You can not hold up your end of the "deal", but see how long that lasts. Talking to people costs time (something we all have a limited supply of). Nature and public property? Really? Do you also not pay taxes in Canada? Free speech isn't free, it costs (and continues to cost) lives (and, again, tax for government, judiciary...) It doesn't sound like you've ever actually run an EC2 cluster either. It's 10 cent/hour for a large instance (2 ECU, 7.5GB RAM) which is close to 900 dollars a year per machine. This is not even close to free. Films and music have never been free, you just haven't been paying for them. There's a difference. Just because you don't pay for something doesn't mean it's free. Some of the people can scrounge some of the time, but all of the people can't scrounge all of the time.