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The saddest part is that we could still limit the damage to the future of our civilization by actually doing something, instead of like , perfomatively banning

The saddest part is that we could still limit the damage to the future of our civilization by actually doing something, instead of like , perfomatively banning plastic, while leaving cars and oil/gas power plants alone. I mean, how many thousands of years of plastic utensil avoidence equals an oil well operation over a year? It’s not really fun to conclude that it would be more humane to not have them, than to bring children into a world completely consumed by its egotistical inhabitant’s desperate desire to please Moloch at absolutely any cost.

qqqwerty 5y ago
Do you really think that local municipalities focus on single use plastic is the reason we haven't solved climate change yet? Climate change and plastic pollution are two separate issues, but I would be willing to bet that the folks who support plastic pollution legislation are also some of the more fervent supporters of climate change legislation. And at the municipal level, for every plastic ordinance there are probably dozens of ordinances focused on climate change. But solving climate change will likely require global cooperation on a level that the world has never seen before. So you are essentially cherry picking a topic to accuse their supporters of being "performative" just because they haven't yet solved one of the biggest challenges the world has ever faced.
- cannabis_sam 5y ago
  >Do you really think that local municipalities focus on single use plastic is the reason we haven't solved climate change yet? No, and I wasn’t trying to say that. > Climate change and plastic pollution are two separate issues, but I would be willing to bet that the folks who support plastic pollution legislation are also some of the more fervent supporters of climate change legislation. I agree, but in democratic societies (at least in western europe where I have experience), policy tends to be decided by compromise between different interests, and plastic bans and more impactful climate change occupy the same lane of general support for environmentalism. So we get into a situation where green parties want to reduce plastics and want to reduce petrol/gas use, and our (Western European) compromise becomes a ban on plastic and little done to reduce petrol/gas usage.

qqqwerty 5y ago

Do you really think that local municipalities focus on single use plastic is the reason we haven't solved climate change yet? Climate change and plastic pollution are two separate issues, but I would be willing to bet that the folks who support plastic pollution legislation are also some of the more fervent supporters of climate change legislation. And at the municipal level, for every plastic ordinance there are probably dozens of ordinances focused on climate change. But solving climate change will likely require global cooperation on a level that the world has never seen before. So you are essentially cherry picking a topic to accuse their supporters of being "performative" just because they haven't yet solved one of the biggest challenges the world has ever faced.

cannabis_sam 5y ago
>Do you really think that local municipalities focus on single use plastic is the reason we haven't solved climate change yet? No, and I wasn’t trying to say that. > Climate change and plastic pollution are two separate issues, but I would be willing to bet that the folks who support plastic pollution legislation are also some of the more fervent supporters of climate change legislation. I agree, but in democratic societies (at least in western europe where I have experience), policy tends to be decided by compromise between different interests, and plastic bans and more impactful climate change occupy the same lane of general support for environmentalism. So we get into a situation where green parties want to reduce plastics and want to reduce petrol/gas use, and our (Western European) compromise becomes a ban on plastic and little done to reduce petrol/gas usage.