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> For example, the maps the women work with are often outdated. This just sounds like bigotry of lower expectations to me. Nobody buys new ones every time some

> For example, the maps the women work with are often outdated. This just sounds like bigotry of lower expectations to me. Nobody buys new ones every time something changes, nor are new ones published every time there's a change. You are expected to keep them up to date yourself by drawing in new information by hand or use those transfer sheets with symbols that you rub onto the paper with a stylus. It's not a sexist plot, it's just a matter of practicality. Here's a pretty good video showing the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaoT2Jl_lp4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaoT2Jl_lp4 Also as a minor nitpick, the word the journalist is looking for is "chart", not "map".

ashtonkem 5y ago
A lot of hobbies have this kind of complex details that are simply not practical or possible to automate away. For example, I have recently got into long distance rimfire rifle shooting. Every serious shooter there keeps a DOPE (data on previous engagements and/or data on personal equipment) card with the specific holdovers at given ranges. This data can be shared, but is of little utility because every single rifle and batch of ammunition is just a little bit different. Would it be nice if I could just buy a card that says what I should hold over at what range? Heck yes. But it's just not possible to produce that. So beginners have to go out and learn it themselves, which is hard and discouraging to newcomers.
pankajdoharey 5y ago
When you are surrounded by water day to day commute would require confronting this valuable skill, but i am mostly surprised it took a Pandemic to finally push them to learn.
legostormtroopr 5y ago
I also found this bit quite... sad. > Until recently, though, there was no one here specifically teaching women how to pilot boats, and encouraging them to do so. The idea that the only way a group of people can particpate is through invitation feels so discouraging to me. It implies a group of people surrounded by water who had no aspiration to even try, and sounds so patronising.
Ichthypresbyter 5y ago
I wonder if this is necessarily true (either part) for a canal network. I was told by a navigation instructor that "a map is to tell you where you can go, a chart is to tell you where you can't". I have certainly seen diagrams of larger networks of canals/inland waterways referred to as maps rather than charts. And in terms of updating, I wouldn't be too surprised if the people responsible for chart updates weren't super quick to update the information about canals that are only navigable for very small craft.

ashtonkem 5y ago

A lot of hobbies have this kind of complex details that are simply not practical or possible to automate away. For example, I have recently got into long distance rimfire rifle shooting. Every serious shooter there keeps a DOPE (data on previous engagements and/or data on personal equipment) card with the specific holdovers at given ranges. This data can be shared, but is of little utility because every single rifle and batch of ammunition is just a little bit different. Would it be nice if I could just buy a card that says what I should hold over at what range? Heck yes. But it's just not possible to produce that. So beginners have to go out and learn it themselves, which is hard and discouraging to newcomers.

pankajdoharey 5y ago

When you are surrounded by water day to day commute would require confronting this valuable skill, but i am mostly surprised it took a Pandemic to finally push them to learn.

legostormtroopr 5y ago

I also found this bit quite... sad. > Until recently, though, there was no one here specifically teaching women how to pilot boats, and encouraging them to do so. The idea that the only way a group of people can particpate is through invitation feels so discouraging to me. It implies a group of people surrounded by water who had no aspiration to even try, and sounds so patronising.

Ichthypresbyter 5y ago

I wonder if this is necessarily true (either part) for a canal network. I was told by a navigation instructor that "a map is to tell you where you can go, a chart is to tell you where you can't". I have certainly seen diagrams of larger networks of canals/inland waterways referred to as maps rather than charts. And in terms of updating, I wouldn't be too surprised if the people responsible for chart updates weren't super quick to update the information about canals that are only navigable for very small craft.