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Are the Olympics part of a fascist propaganda machine? > Nationalism is followed by fascism quite easily It seems just as easily followed by other forms of to

by adolph 5y ago

Are the Olympics part of a fascist propaganda machine? > Nationalism is followed by fascism quite easily It seems just as easily followed by other forms of totalitarianism as exemplified by the USSR, China, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Venezuela.

cromwellian 5y ago
Yes. What do you think Hitler expected from the 1936 Berlin Olympics? What do you think Xi wanted out of the 2008 Olympics? Why did the East Germans, and other fascist states deliberately engage in ridiculous state supported athlete doping? Even Beijing today is abusing children in the hopes of national glory. The state puts kids through factory-like conditions to make athletes from a young childhood age, doesn't even give them beyond a 3rd grade education, because everything is maximized on winning for national glory. Franky, state-based olympic camps IMHO are borderline child abuse. Oh yes, the Olympics are 100% about nationalism and CCP glory for China, and indeed for many other nationalist authoritarian states. > easily followed by other forms of totalitarianism as exemplified by the USSR, China China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the party and at the rallies (almost 100 million people in the CCP Youth League). Let's look at some of the defining characteristics of Fascism: 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. 2. Disregard for Human Rights. 3.Controlled Mass Media. 4. Obsession with National Security. #4 is especially good example of how China is using national security to crush Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and internal dissent, by claiming pretty much any thing they don't like is a national security issue. Thus, an 80 year old women with a protest sign on the street is arrested in Hong Kong for "national security" reasons. China under Deng might not have been Fascist, but under Xi, it's definitely trending that way.
- knolax 5y ago
  Xi wasn't even in power in 2008. Shows how politically illiterate you google employees are. > China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the party and at the rallies (almost 100 million people in the CCP Youth League). Your definition of Fascism is having rallies and involving young people? > #4 is especially good example You forgot about the multiple terrorist attacks and race riots that led to this so called "obsession". Those "protestors" set elderly people who disagreed with them on fire. Who asked you, in your comfy office job in Silicon Valley, what is and isn't a real security concern on the other side of the planet. If you're so concerned about frivolous use of "national security" then maybe do something about the literal National Security Agency your company clearly works with. I used to be neutral on Google but it's clear that the people working there should have no power over anything.
  - cromwellian 5y ago
    Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailers to fight FBI carnivore and NIST Clipper/Skipjack. I spoke out against the Patriot Act in 2001 when the US government used the 9/11 attacks to impose it. I spoke out against the Communications Decent Act when it was proposed and released software to combat it. And that’s the difference. When my government uses “national security” as an excuse to crack down on freedoms or minorities, I speak out against it. When you government uses terrorist attacks or crime to shutdown newspapers or jail Uighurs, you support it. And that’s why it’s fascism because if you buy into the fear over some insignificant terrorist attacks which are not an existential threat to China in order to justify a total surveillance state and an authoritarian President for life who won’t even take turns and relinquish power to other Standing Committee members, then you’re defending an authoritarian dictatorship and fascist. The governments of the world love using either terrorism, external threats, crime, or protection of children from sex as blanket justification for every encroachment of freedom.
    - knolax 5y ago
      > Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Fascism is when you host the Olympics. The more Olympics you host the more fascist you are, and if you're in charge of organizing the Olympics you're the next Hitler. > Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. Googling a random insult in Chinese doesn't make your argument better. Who is "my" government? Why is everything racial for you people. What do you hope to achieve throwing in a random insult in Chinese to the Chinese person? > insignificant terrorist attacks which are not an existential threat to China Insignificant Terrorist Attacks. Listen to your own words. People like you are always willing to sacrifice other people's lives in the name of your nonexistent "free speech". You clutch pearls about "shutting down newspapers" but I've yet to see any of you Googlers acknowledge the fact that you clearly censor content the US deems extremist. Or are you going to go on about the 2 billion Uyghurs being simultaneously exterminated, forced to celebrate Ramadan, and then given 20 sterilization procedures every hour? Your allegations are bullshit and every actually Muslim country agrees that it's bullshit. But keep using them as a rhetorical device. > excuse to crack down on freedoms or minorities, I speak out against it. You mean the federal program to accuse American academics of espionage that explicitly targeted Asian men, which has so far resulted in a trial where thefbi agent in charge admitted to fabricating evidence but will likely still end in a conviction because the jury is completely white? Or do you mean the systemic police violence against black people and the occasional public exectution that caused several months of riots. I already know what people like you's opinion of it is, you don't care. > As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailers to fight FBI carnivore and NIST Clipper/Skipjack. I spoke out against the Patriot Act in 2001 when the US government used the 9/11 attacks to impose it. I spoke out against the Communications Decent Act when it was proposed and released software to combat it. And you still want the entire world to run off of software and services entirely beholden to the US Government. Your company censors information the US Government doesn't want people to see. You know this in your heart of hearts. You work for a company that seeks to put the entire word under the digital jurisdiction of one government but all you do is complain about countries on the other side of the planet you have cursory knowledge of because they're competition. All your "protesting" against the NSA has done nothing. There are entire engineering schools dedicated to recruiting people for them. They're as active and effective as ever.

by adolph 5y ago

cromwellian 5y ago

Yes. What do you think Hitler expected from the 1936 Berlin Olympics? What do you think Xi wanted out of the 2008 Olympics? Why did the East Germans, and other fascist states deliberately engage in ridiculous state supported athlete doping? Even Beijing today is abusing children in the hopes of national glory. The state puts kids through factory-like conditions to make athletes from a young childhood age, doesn't even give them beyond a 3rd grade education, because everything is maximized on winning for national glory. Franky, state-based olympic camps IMHO are borderline child abuse. Oh yes, the Olympics are 100% about nationalism and CCP glory for China, and indeed for many other nationalist authoritarian states. > easily followed by other forms of totalitarianism as exemplified by the USSR, China China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the party and at the rallies (almost 100 million people in the CCP Youth League). Let's look at some of the defining characteristics of Fascism: 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. 2. Disregard for Human Rights. 3.Controlled Mass Media. 4. Obsession with National Security. #4 is especially good example of how China is using national security to crush Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and internal dissent, by claiming pretty much any thing they don't like is a national security issue. Thus, an 80 year old women with a protest sign on the street is arrested in Hong Kong for "national security" reasons. China under Deng might not have been Fascist, but under Xi, it's definitely trending that way.

knolax 5y ago
Xi wasn't even in power in 2008. Shows how politically illiterate you google employees are. > China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the party and at the rallies (almost 100 million people in the CCP Youth League). Your definition of Fascism is having rallies and involving young people? > #4 is especially good example You forgot about the multiple terrorist attacks and race riots that led to this so called "obsession". Those "protestors" set elderly people who disagreed with them on fire. Who asked you, in your comfy office job in Silicon Valley, what is and isn't a real security concern on the other side of the planet. If you're so concerned about frivolous use of "national security" then maybe do something about the literal National Security Agency your company clearly works with. I used to be neutral on Google but it's clear that the people working there should have no power over anything.
- cromwellian 5y ago
  Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailers to fight FBI carnivore and NIST Clipper/Skipjack. I spoke out against the Patriot Act in 2001 when the US government used the 9/11 attacks to impose it. I spoke out against the Communications Decent Act when it was proposed and released software to combat it. And that’s the difference. When my government uses “national security” as an excuse to crack down on freedoms or minorities, I speak out against it. When you government uses terrorist attacks or crime to shutdown newspapers or jail Uighurs, you support it. And that’s why it’s fascism because if you buy into the fear over some insignificant terrorist attacks which are not an existential threat to China in order to justify a total surveillance state and an authoritarian President for life who won’t even take turns and relinquish power to other Standing Committee members, then you’re defending an authoritarian dictatorship and fascist. The governments of the world love using either terrorism, external threats, crime, or protection of children from sex as blanket justification for every encroachment of freedom.
  - knolax 5y ago
    > Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Fascism is when you host the Olympics. The more Olympics you host the more fascist you are, and if you're in charge of organizing the Olympics you're the next Hitler. > Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. Googling a random insult in Chinese doesn't make your argument better. Who is "my" government? Why is everything racial for you people. What do you hope to achieve throwing in a random insult in Chinese to the Chinese person? > insignificant terrorist attacks which are not an existential threat to China Insignificant Terrorist Attacks. Listen to your own words. People like you are always willing to sacrifice other people's lives in the name of your nonexistent "free speech". You clutch pearls about "shutting down newspapers" but I've yet to see any of you Googlers acknowledge the fact that you clearly censor content the US deems extremist. Or are you going to go on about the 2 billion Uyghurs being simultaneously exterminated, forced to celebrate Ramadan, and then given 20 sterilization procedures every hour? Your allegations are bullshit and every actually Muslim country agrees that it's bullshit. But keep using them as a rhetorical device. > excuse to crack down on freedoms or minorities, I speak out against it. You mean the federal program to accuse American academics of espionage that explicitly targeted Asian men, which has so far resulted in a trial where thefbi agent in charge admitted to fabricating evidence but will likely still end in a conviction because the jury is completely white? Or do you mean the systemic police violence against black people and the occasional public exectution that caused several months of riots. I already know what people like you's opinion of it is, you don't care. > As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailers to fight FBI carnivore and NIST Clipper/Skipjack. I spoke out against the Patriot Act in 2001 when the US government used the 9/11 attacks to impose it. I spoke out against the Communications Decent Act when it was proposed and released software to combat it. And you still want the entire world to run off of software and services entirely beholden to the US Government. Your company censors information the US Government doesn't want people to see. You know this in your heart of hearts. You work for a company that seeks to put the entire word under the digital jurisdiction of one government but all you do is complain about countries on the other side of the planet you have cursory knowledge of because they're competition. All your "protesting" against the NSA has done nothing. There are entire engineering schools dedicated to recruiting people for them. They're as active and effective as ever.