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Flagged. Freud? Are you kidding me? Pop Psychology books? -signed, A disgruntled psychologist scientist who is tired of having his field maligned with bullshit.

dash2 5y ago
Here is how you could be more persuasive: use your expertise to explain why modern psychological science has moved on from Freud, how it's different from pop psychology, and to give some examples of solid, reproducible, insightful work in the field.
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- SubiculumCode 5y ago
  Goodbye Sigmund Freud: The case for exorcising the ghost of Freud from the field of psychology https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10911359.2019.1673869?casa_token=sby3TrdHOgcAAAAA%3A4gwzKGbeujXNyGTi1IdK3PRfBvGBcZyfPEBfpsxIZAME2MpterOtvskYQhfFIGtSEFKdpFLb50bCXg https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10911359.2019.1...
  - leucineleprec0n 5y ago
    Nice, thanks for this, I've no papers on the matter of course but this was always my issue with his drivel on an instinctive level before I was able to elucidate it - namely the lack of even vague attempts at grounding his Uber-mystic theories with empirical foundations, tests. What may be more amazing is that scrolling through these threads treating K*hneman or others seriously. Invariably if cognitive psych or physiology make the rounds here I feel a serious case of guilty Gell-Mann Amnesia. I mean, is it too much to ask the constituents of this forum to keep the pace ahead of "Ah, Thinking Fast and Slow was really intellectually stimulating" in 2021, or... ever?.
panosfilianos 5y ago
Provide an alternative list then for us who are interested.
Raminj95 5y ago
I would love to get a list of even say 3 or 5 books then that you think are "real". Im genuinely curious about this, i dont mean to come of as standoffish :)
- SubiculumCode 5y ago
  Example? Sure: 1. The Wiley Handbook on the Development of Children's Memory by Patricia J. Bauer & Robyn Fivush. (A really excellent book, even if somewhat dated, a lot of it has withstood re-examination). 2. Memory Reconsolidation, edited by CM Alberini 3. The Nature of Emotion, Fundamental Questions 2nd Edition Edited by Andrew Fox. I mean just go on google scholar, look for chapters on a topic you find interesting. You will more likely get the real stuff that way than pop psychology books, or by reading frauds like Freud.
  - jonnycomputer 5y ago
    But why are these books everyone should read? or can read, for that matter. You just pointed to books meant to be read by people in the field. Like, I possess a book on the neurochemistry of memory formation, but I can't make heads or tails of it, frankly, because I don't have the background. So, the books are going to be popular psychology almost by definition (and we really shouldn't continue the academic tradition of sneering at academics who write for the popular market. We need them). I get your irritation about Freud. Dan Ariely and Daniel Kahneman are pretty relevant today, actually. I'd add these books: * Decisions, Uncertainty and the Brain by Paul Glimcher * Why Choose This Book: how we make decisions by Read Montague So Subiculum, can you recommend books on memory that aren't intended to be read by academics in the field? Update: Subiculum indicates that they read their first suggestion, the Wiley Handbook as an undergraduate, so I'm guessing that it is accessible enough for a general audience.
    - jonnycomputer 5y ago
      And if, after reading Montague and Glimcher, people are interested, they can follow up with deeper dives into some relevant topics, like: * Reinforcement Learning: An Introduction by Sutton and Barto (required reading in our lab, but its computer science book) * Decision Neuroscience: An Integrative Perspective by Jean-Claude Dreher and Leon Tremblay

dash2 5y ago

Here is how you could be more persuasive: use your expertise to explain why modern psychological science has moved on from Freud, how it's different from pop psychology, and to give some examples of solid, reproducible, insightful work in the field.

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SubiculumCode 5y ago
Goodbye Sigmund Freud: The case for exorcising the ghost of Freud from the field of psychology https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10911359.2019.1673869?casa_token=sby3TrdHOgcAAAAA%3A4gwzKGbeujXNyGTi1IdK3PRfBvGBcZyfPEBfpsxIZAME2MpterOtvskYQhfFIGtSEFKdpFLb50bCXg https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10911359.2019.1...
- leucineleprec0n 5y ago
  Nice, thanks for this, I've no papers on the matter of course but this was always my issue with his drivel on an instinctive level before I was able to elucidate it - namely the lack of even vague attempts at grounding his Uber-mystic theories with empirical foundations, tests. What may be more amazing is that scrolling through these threads treating K*hneman or others seriously. Invariably if cognitive psych or physiology make the rounds here I feel a serious case of guilty Gell-Mann Amnesia. I mean, is it too much to ask the constituents of this forum to keep the pace ahead of "Ah, Thinking Fast and Slow was really intellectually stimulating" in 2021, or... ever?.

panosfilianos 5y ago

Provide an alternative list then for us who are interested.

Raminj95 5y ago

I would love to get a list of even say 3 or 5 books then that you think are "real". Im genuinely curious about this, i dont mean to come of as standoffish :)

SubiculumCode 5y ago
Example? Sure: 1. The Wiley Handbook on the Development of Children's Memory by Patricia J. Bauer & Robyn Fivush. (A really excellent book, even if somewhat dated, a lot of it has withstood re-examination). 2. Memory Reconsolidation, edited by CM Alberini 3. The Nature of Emotion, Fundamental Questions 2nd Edition Edited by Andrew Fox. I mean just go on google scholar, look for chapters on a topic you find interesting. You will more likely get the real stuff that way than pop psychology books, or by reading frauds like Freud.
- jonnycomputer 5y ago
  But why are these books everyone should read? or can read, for that matter. You just pointed to books meant to be read by people in the field. Like, I possess a book on the neurochemistry of memory formation, but I can't make heads or tails of it, frankly, because I don't have the background. So, the books are going to be popular psychology almost by definition (and we really shouldn't continue the academic tradition of sneering at academics who write for the popular market. We need them). I get your irritation about Freud. Dan Ariely and Daniel Kahneman are pretty relevant today, actually. I'd add these books: * Decisions, Uncertainty and the Brain by Paul Glimcher * Why Choose This Book: how we make decisions by Read Montague So Subiculum, can you recommend books on memory that aren't intended to be read by academics in the field? Update: Subiculum indicates that they read their first suggestion, the Wiley Handbook as an undergraduate, so I'm guessing that it is accessible enough for a general audience.
  - jonnycomputer 5y ago
    And if, after reading Montague and Glimcher, people are interested, they can follow up with deeper dives into some relevant topics, like: * Reinforcement Learning: An Introduction by Sutton and Barto (required reading in our lab, but its computer science book) * Decision Neuroscience: An Integrative Perspective by Jean-Claude Dreher and Leon Tremblay