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Well as you say it's "leave the market for mobile phones", ie., it'll be iPhone which goes -- rather than Apple as such. If the fee is 20x on their profits fro

Well as you say it's "leave the market for mobile phones", ie., it'll be iPhone which goes -- rather than Apple as such. If the fee is 20x on their profits from iphones, personally, I'd leave -- for a few years at least. The opportunity cost is very high: leave for 2+ years and prompt the UK gov to act. Then return. Also, my issue is exactly with "validity" conditions. Regardless of what they are, my view is we need a change in the law to make cases of this kind non-starters. My initial stab is this: patents have to held by companies operating in the relevant market to be valid. The ensures licensing fees go towards companies capable of innovation, and limits patent trolling. I'd prefer, even, to add: those companies are using those patents; or otherwise, have +10 years from their last use in a product (etc.). However, one step at a time.

vinni2 5y ago
> If the fee is 20x on their profits from iphones, personally, I'd leave -- for a few years at least. The opportunity cost is very high: leave for 2+ years and prompt the UK gov to act. Then return And loose the customers base who would otherwise be locked into iOS/Apple ecosystem? It’s not just profits from iPhones they would be loosing.
- chasil 5y ago
  E.U. countries are very close by. Apple products would likely be in duty free in force. Trade in used devices would be brisk, fed in part by what is brought in. Then, Apple begins running ads for sympathetic members of parliament, with astonishing levels of cash.
  - pmyteh 5y ago
    You're right about the imports. Not sure the lobbying campaign would go like that: party discipline in the UK is too strong for picking off sympathetic MPs to be a useful strategy, and political advertising is very heavily regulated.
  - blibble 5y ago
    the devices that infringe identify themselves to cell towers don't they? would be easy enough for the patent owner to obtain an injunction preventing new devices being used on major cellular operators
denton-scratch 5y ago
Trying to blackmail the government by threatening to leave the market suggests phrases involving noses, faces, and spite. It's apple buyers that would be hurt by apple leaving the market -not the government, which would look weak if it capitulates to blackmail threats. The government doesn't care about apple users. They don't care about any citizens. And anyway, the apple users can always buy their devices in the EU.

vinni2 5y ago

> If the fee is 20x on their profits from iphones, personally, I'd leave -- for a few years at least. The opportunity cost is very high: leave for 2+ years and prompt the UK gov to act. Then return And loose the customers base who would otherwise be locked into iOS/Apple ecosystem? It’s not just profits from iPhones they would be loosing.

chasil 5y ago
E.U. countries are very close by. Apple products would likely be in duty free in force. Trade in used devices would be brisk, fed in part by what is brought in. Then, Apple begins running ads for sympathetic members of parliament, with astonishing levels of cash.
- pmyteh 5y ago
  You're right about the imports. Not sure the lobbying campaign would go like that: party discipline in the UK is too strong for picking off sympathetic MPs to be a useful strategy, and political advertising is very heavily regulated.
- blibble 5y ago
  the devices that infringe identify themselves to cell towers don't they? would be easy enough for the patent owner to obtain an injunction preventing new devices being used on major cellular operators

denton-scratch 5y ago

Trying to blackmail the government by threatening to leave the market suggests phrases involving noses, faces, and spite. It's apple buyers that would be hurt by apple leaving the market -not the government, which would look weak if it capitulates to blackmail threats. The government doesn't care about apple users. They don't care about any citizens. And anyway, the apple users can always buy their devices in the EU.