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I thought we already figured out at least part of the problem or the main problem Sugar Yutkin Lufkin Etc Book: Pure, White, and Deadly

brazzy 5y ago
The article cites evidence showing that this is simply not true.
- readonthegoapp 5y ago
  bold statement. i wonder why you're so completely convinced? is it that the author is The Smahtest Guy To Evah Live? or....i mean, s/he has a long list of Nobel Prizes in Physiology? or maybe just some long history of unbelievably incredibly insightful comments/writing/literature/research on this or any other topic? i figure i've read and listened to at least dozens but probably hundreds of articles, books, youtubes, etc. over the past few years, and i'm not convinced i have the answer, but one blog post citing one tribe and you're all in? seems strange to me. i suspect a plurality of folks would say that there are multiple contributing factors to obesity, something like: - sugar (in particular, highly processed sugar in all its forms/delivery mechanisms), - highly processed foods generally (don't send 'full' signals to the brain, lack of fiber, etc.), - modern lifestyle/quick eating/lack of exercise, cheap sugary/processed/fatty foods, etc. ...but to rule out sugar....bold.
  - brazzy 5y ago
    Read. The. Fucking. Article. Then argue against the factual evidence it cites, not against some silly strawman.
EMM_386 5y ago
The article covers this, and sugar is not the root cause: > A Tanzanian hunter-gatherer society called the Hadza get about 15 percent of their calories from honey. Combined with all the sugar they get from eating fruit, they end up eating about the same amount of sugar as Americans do. Despite this, the Hadza do not exhibit obesity.
- readonthegoapp 5y ago
  you have a lot of confidence in a theory that sugar is not a main or the root cause of obesity, all based on...a single tribe? that eats unprocessed sugar? including that found in fruits??
  - EMM_386 5y ago
    The article clearly explains all of this. It's more than one tribe. Part II is equally interesting. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-part-ii-current-theories-of-obesity-are-inadequate/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-p... > We can further cite the fact that many cultures, such as the Hadza of Tanzania, the Mbuti of the Congo, and the Kuna of Panama all eat diets relatively high in sugar (sometimes as high at 80%), and yet none of these cultures have noticeable rates of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc.
    - readonthegoapp 5y ago
      ok, _multiple_ tribes, that -- unlike us westernized/modernized/uncivilized people -- eat _un_processed sugars, _un_processed foods, etc. i'm all for looking at populations of folks and then looking at the effects of their new diets -- whether they moved to the food, or the food moved to them -- but i don't even see the beginnings of an apples-to-apples comparison here. to me, a layman, i don't see Nutrasweet and sugar and honey and cookies and apples to be all the same in terms of the effects of their 'sugars' on the body. i must be missing something.

brazzy 5y ago

The article cites evidence showing that this is simply not true.

readonthegoapp 5y ago
bold statement. i wonder why you're so completely convinced? is it that the author is The Smahtest Guy To Evah Live? or....i mean, s/he has a long list of Nobel Prizes in Physiology? or maybe just some long history of unbelievably incredibly insightful comments/writing/literature/research on this or any other topic? i figure i've read and listened to at least dozens but probably hundreds of articles, books, youtubes, etc. over the past few years, and i'm not convinced i have the answer, but one blog post citing one tribe and you're all in? seems strange to me. i suspect a plurality of folks would say that there are multiple contributing factors to obesity, something like: - sugar (in particular, highly processed sugar in all its forms/delivery mechanisms), - highly processed foods generally (don't send 'full' signals to the brain, lack of fiber, etc.), - modern lifestyle/quick eating/lack of exercise, cheap sugary/processed/fatty foods, etc. ...but to rule out sugar....bold.
- brazzy 5y ago
  Read. The. Fucking. Article. Then argue against the factual evidence it cites, not against some silly strawman.

EMM_386 5y ago

The article covers this, and sugar is not the root cause: > A Tanzanian hunter-gatherer society called the Hadza get about 15 percent of their calories from honey. Combined with all the sugar they get from eating fruit, they end up eating about the same amount of sugar as Americans do. Despite this, the Hadza do not exhibit obesity.

readonthegoapp 5y ago
you have a lot of confidence in a theory that sugar is not a main or the root cause of obesity, all based on...a single tribe? that eats unprocessed sugar? including that found in fruits??
- EMM_386 5y ago
  The article clearly explains all of this. It's more than one tribe. Part II is equally interesting. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-part-ii-current-theories-of-obesity-are-inadequate/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-p... > We can further cite the fact that many cultures, such as the Hadza of Tanzania, the Mbuti of the Congo, and the Kuna of Panama all eat diets relatively high in sugar (sometimes as high at 80%), and yet none of these cultures have noticeable rates of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc.
  - readonthegoapp 5y ago
    ok, _multiple_ tribes, that -- unlike us westernized/modernized/uncivilized people -- eat _un_processed sugars, _un_processed foods, etc. i'm all for looking at populations of folks and then looking at the effects of their new diets -- whether they moved to the food, or the food moved to them -- but i don't even see the beginnings of an apples-to-apples comparison here. to me, a layman, i don't see Nutrasweet and sugar and honey and cookies and apples to be all the same in terms of the effects of their 'sugars' on the body. i must be missing something.