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Well HN users are powerful scions of business. They're gonna change the world with their web-apps. No time for distracting fun or unorthodox thoughts.

ignoramous 5y ago
Well, I find that most scions have moved to Twitter only to obsessively complain about that orange site. Tells a lot about tech twitter.
- krapp 5y ago
  It tells a lot about the "orange website." Most people complaining about HN outside this forum are also members of this forum - almost no one else cares. The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. And let's be fair, HN complains obsessively about the rest of the web, and especially social media, all the time. It just can't get as good as it gives.
  - Bayart 5y ago
    Is there such a guideline ? If there is, I've never noticed it. I've certainly seen people address HN on HN quite a few times, I might even have done it myself, but I was always under the impression that it was fine insofar as you're acting sensible. Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN.
    - krapp 5y ago
      No specific guideline, it's more the effect of various guidelines being interpreted by a defensive culture. We can't accuse someone of not having read the article, despite two of the biggest problems this community has regarding the quality of conversation being people only commenting on the title, and people using the title as a springboard for whatever polemic it triggers in them. We can't be "snarky" or "sneer" about the community. Any direct criticism of the community comes off as snark. Meta commentary is frowned upon for being unsubstantive. All criticism of the community is meta commentary by definition. >Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN. And then again, the problem might be HN. Getting invested in a community and being disappointed in its faults isn't a problem.
  - Maken 5y ago
    People complains about social media even in social media.
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    Yeah, it does tell a lot about the "orange website". Strongly reinforces my decision to stay here, and not use Twitter. In one of my episodes of obsessive procrastination, I once used Twitter search to list tweets mentioning the phrase "orange site", and spent a couple hours reading through ~3 years of history. Most of the critical ones reflect very badly on the people tweeting. > The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, This is not the case. Nothing in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says that. > and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Citation needed. Can't think of a single example. > Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. Personal opinion, and this may be a controversial view, but I feel that pathologies mostly start when civility and high SNR are being abandoned.

ignoramous 5y ago

Well, I find that most scions have moved to Twitter only to obsessively complain about that orange site. Tells a lot about tech twitter.

krapp 5y ago
It tells a lot about the "orange website." Most people complaining about HN outside this forum are also members of this forum - almost no one else cares. The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. And let's be fair, HN complains obsessively about the rest of the web, and especially social media, all the time. It just can't get as good as it gives.
- Bayart 5y ago
  Is there such a guideline ? If there is, I've never noticed it. I've certainly seen people address HN on HN quite a few times, I might even have done it myself, but I was always under the impression that it was fine insofar as you're acting sensible. Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN.
  - krapp 5y ago
    No specific guideline, it's more the effect of various guidelines being interpreted by a defensive culture. We can't accuse someone of not having read the article, despite two of the biggest problems this community has regarding the quality of conversation being people only commenting on the title, and people using the title as a springboard for whatever polemic it triggers in them. We can't be "snarky" or "sneer" about the community. Any direct criticism of the community comes off as snark. Meta commentary is frowned upon for being unsubstantive. All criticism of the community is meta commentary by definition. >Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN. And then again, the problem might be HN. Getting invested in a community and being disappointed in its faults isn't a problem.
- Maken 5y ago
  People complains about social media even in social media.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  Yeah, it does tell a lot about the "orange website". Strongly reinforces my decision to stay here, and not use Twitter. In one of my episodes of obsessive procrastination, I once used Twitter search to list tweets mentioning the phrase "orange site", and spent a couple hours reading through ~3 years of history. Most of the critical ones reflect very badly on the people tweeting. > The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, This is not the case. Nothing in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says that. > and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Citation needed. Can't think of a single example. > Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. Personal opinion, and this may be a controversial view, but I feel that pathologies mostly start when civility and high SNR are being abandoned.