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Why don't people use emojiis or their substitute in this place? :) (っ. ᴗ .)っ I'm not sure if the unicode ones work? edits: ஐ

krapp 5y ago
For the same reason telling jokes is frowned upon, and why casual projects posted to Show HN often get criticized for being trivial. Hacker News considers itself serious business to a fault. And no, the Unicode ones won't work, the code strips them out. You'll have plain text and be happy with it.
- everyone 5y ago
  Well HN users are powerful scions of business. They're gonna change the world with their web-apps. No time for distracting fun or unorthodox thoughts.
  - ignoramous 5y ago
    Well, I find that most scions have moved to Twitter only to obsessively complain about that orange site. Tells a lot about tech twitter.
    - krapp 5y ago
      It tells a lot about the "orange website." Most people complaining about HN outside this forum are also members of this forum - almost no one else cares. The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. And let's be fair, HN complains obsessively about the rest of the web, and especially social media, all the time. It just can't get as good as it gives.
      - Bayart 5y ago
        Is there such a guideline ? If there is, I've never noticed it. I've certainly seen people address HN on HN quite a few times, I might even have done it myself, but I was always under the impression that it was fine insofar as you're acting sensible. Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN.
        krapp 5y ago
        No specific guideline, it's more the effect of various guidelines being interpreted by a defensive culture. We can't accuse someone of not having read the article, despite two of the biggest problems this community has regarding the quality of conversation being people only commenting on the title, and people using the title as a springboard for whatever polemic it triggers in them. We can't be "snarky" or "sneer" about the community. Any direct criticism of the community comes off as snark. Meta commentary is frowned upon for being unsubstantive. All criticism of the community is meta commentary by definition. >Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN. And then again, the problem might be HN. Getting invested in a community and being disappointed in its faults isn't a problem.
      - Maken 5y ago
        People complains about social media even in social media.
      - TeMPOraL 5y ago
        Yeah, it does tell a lot about the "orange website". Strongly reinforces my decision to stay here, and not use Twitter. In one of my episodes of obsessive procrastination, I once used Twitter search to list tweets mentioning the phrase "orange site", and spent a couple hours reading through ~3 years of history. Most of the critical ones reflect very badly on the people tweeting. > The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, This is not the case. Nothing in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says that. > and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Citation needed. Can't think of a single example. > Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. Personal opinion, and this may be a controversial view, but I feel that pathologies mostly start when civility and high SNR are being abandoned.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  > For the same reason telling jokes is frowned upon, and why casual projects posted to Show HN often get criticized for being trivial. Hacker News considers itself serious business to a fault. It's not exactly that. HN has plenty of humor (and lord knows it's the easiest way to rack up karma, if you care about such things) - you just have to put some effort into it. "Show HN" attracts criticism mostly because the opposite of that would be just patting someone on their back, which is boring and benefits neither the submission author, nor the community. Good, constructive criticism gives everyone a chance to improve. Bad criticism tends to get down-voted and flagged pretty quickly. > And no, the Unicode ones won't work, the code strips them out. You'll have plain text and be happy with it. Unicode does work. Just not all of it. If you think some characters currently filtered out should be available on HN, you can always ask 'dang to remove them from the filter (via mail, hn@ycombinator.com). I've done that in the past. That said, it's important to remember why many Unicode characters are blocked: it's because of spam. There's a large population of users who want to use Unicode characters as cheap visual tricks, to make the titles or comments stand out more. This goes directly against the kind of culture that makes HN the place it is.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    > HN has plenty of humor (and lord knows it's the easiest way to rack up karma, if you care about such things) I think the easiest way to rack up karma is to search existing comment threads for links, and then submit those links.
  - blooalien 5y ago
    > There's a large population of users who want to use Unicode characters as cheap visual tricks, to make the titles or comments stand out more. Also as a means of trying to fool keyword-based anti-spam filters. I've seen entire words spelled out in alternate Unicode characters that look like the characters of the actual word, but are not the actual letters they look like visually. Computers, being inherently "dumb machines" totally overlook such words if they're not actively blocked at some level by the filter (easy way is to block the actual characters these spammers use, but of course this can then cause problems for those who actually use those characters properly; Yay, spammers. Ruining the Internet for everyone).
- papito 5y ago
  HN is the kind of place where, in response to a joke, the squares will inundate you with links to research papers about how most people find themselves funny but in really they are not, without a hint of irony. I mean, what about all the research on how some people who chronically do not find anything funny? At first it got me thinking, but this is a place where horrible humans like Peter Thiel are worshipped, so yeah - it's not me.
sambeau 5y ago
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hedberg10 5y ago
Behold, the superiority of the German language, having Emojis build in before they were invented: Ü
- kuratkull 5y ago
  We have that in Estonia too, but we also have the extreme-surprise emoji Ö
  - Lex-2008 5y ago
    Some say that Cyrillic letter Ы is a single character for "lol".
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      That letter is interesting to me for being two separate pieces. Any idea how that happened?
      - Lex-2008 5y ago
        Honestly, I don't know. But Wikipedia says it was a ligature of two letters ("Ь" and "I"), which later changed their values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yery#Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yery#Origin
  - MrDresden 5y ago
    Icelandic has the 'Ö' and also the 'Þ' (goes very well with ':'). Not sure what the 'Æ' could stand in for though
    - __s 5y ago
      Æ looks like the blank face of shame. Somehow I'm picturing E being the mouth's shape in that expression
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    That one's also part of German. They have umlauts for A, O, and U. Though as far as I can tell, the German Ä is just a variant of "E". The other two are their own vowels, and they used to be rendered in English as "oe" and "ue". It's not clear to me why we decided that it was better to write "Gödel" as "Godel" than as "Goedel".
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krapp 5y ago

For the same reason telling jokes is frowned upon, and why casual projects posted to Show HN often get criticized for being trivial. Hacker News considers itself serious business to a fault. And no, the Unicode ones won't work, the code strips them out. You'll have plain text and be happy with it.

everyone 5y ago
Well HN users are powerful scions of business. They're gonna change the world with their web-apps. No time for distracting fun or unorthodox thoughts.
- ignoramous 5y ago
  Well, I find that most scions have moved to Twitter only to obsessively complain about that orange site. Tells a lot about tech twitter.
  - krapp 5y ago
    It tells a lot about the "orange website." Most people complaining about HN outside this forum are also members of this forum - almost no one else cares. The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. And let's be fair, HN complains obsessively about the rest of the web, and especially social media, all the time. It just can't get as good as it gives.
    - Bayart 5y ago
      Is there such a guideline ? If there is, I've never noticed it. I've certainly seen people address HN on HN quite a few times, I might even have done it myself, but I was always under the impression that it was fine insofar as you're acting sensible. Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN.
      - krapp 5y ago
        No specific guideline, it's more the effect of various guidelines being interpreted by a defensive culture. We can't accuse someone of not having read the article, despite two of the biggest problems this community has regarding the quality of conversation being people only commenting on the title, and people using the title as a springboard for whatever polemic it triggers in them. We can't be "snarky" or "sneer" about the community. Any direct criticism of the community comes off as snark. Meta commentary is frowned upon for being unsubstantive. All criticism of the community is meta commentary by definition. >Anyhow, if people get so invested into HN that they feel the need to vent about it, the problem might not be HN. And then again, the problem might be HN. Getting invested in a community and being disappointed in its faults isn't a problem.
    - Maken 5y ago
      People complains about social media even in social media.
    - TeMPOraL 5y ago
      Yeah, it does tell a lot about the "orange website". Strongly reinforces my decision to stay here, and not use Twitter. In one of my episodes of obsessive procrastination, I once used Twitter search to list tweets mentioning the phrase "orange site", and spent a couple hours reading through ~3 years of history. Most of the critical ones reflect very badly on the people tweeting. > The guidelines don't allow complaining about or criticizing the community here, This is not the case. Nothing in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says that. > and the mods tend to take any such criticisms personally, even if they agree with them. Citation needed. Can't think of a single example. > Certain cultural pathologies are left to fester in the name of maintaining civility and high "signal to noise," so people have to vent their frustrations with this place elsewhere. Personal opinion, and this may be a controversial view, but I feel that pathologies mostly start when civility and high SNR are being abandoned.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
> For the same reason telling jokes is frowned upon, and why casual projects posted to Show HN often get criticized for being trivial. Hacker News considers itself serious business to a fault. It's not exactly that. HN has plenty of humor (and lord knows it's the easiest way to rack up karma, if you care about such things) - you just have to put some effort into it. "Show HN" attracts criticism mostly because the opposite of that would be just patting someone on their back, which is boring and benefits neither the submission author, nor the community. Good, constructive criticism gives everyone a chance to improve. Bad criticism tends to get down-voted and flagged pretty quickly. > And no, the Unicode ones won't work, the code strips them out. You'll have plain text and be happy with it. Unicode does work. Just not all of it. If you think some characters currently filtered out should be available on HN, you can always ask 'dang to remove them from the filter (via mail, hn@ycombinator.com). I've done that in the past. That said, it's important to remember why many Unicode characters are blocked: it's because of spam. There's a large population of users who want to use Unicode characters as cheap visual tricks, to make the titles or comments stand out more. This goes directly against the kind of culture that makes HN the place it is.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > HN has plenty of humor (and lord knows it's the easiest way to rack up karma, if you care about such things) I think the easiest way to rack up karma is to search existing comment threads for links, and then submit those links.
- blooalien 5y ago
  > There's a large population of users who want to use Unicode characters as cheap visual tricks, to make the titles or comments stand out more. Also as a means of trying to fool keyword-based anti-spam filters. I've seen entire words spelled out in alternate Unicode characters that look like the characters of the actual word, but are not the actual letters they look like visually. Computers, being inherently "dumb machines" totally overlook such words if they're not actively blocked at some level by the filter (easy way is to block the actual characters these spammers use, but of course this can then cause problems for those who actually use those characters properly; Yay, spammers. Ruining the Internet for everyone).
papito 5y ago
HN is the kind of place where, in response to a joke, the squares will inundate you with links to research papers about how most people find themselves funny but in really they are not, without a hint of irony. I mean, what about all the research on how some people who chronically do not find anything funny? At first it got me thinking, but this is a place where horrible humans like Peter Thiel are worshipped, so yeah - it's not me.

sambeau 5y ago

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hedberg10 5y ago

Behold, the superiority of the German language, having Emojis build in before they were invented: Ü

kuratkull 5y ago
We have that in Estonia too, but we also have the extreme-surprise emoji Ö
- Lex-2008 5y ago
  Some say that Cyrillic letter Ы is a single character for "lol".
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    That letter is interesting to me for being two separate pieces. Any idea how that happened?
    - Lex-2008 5y ago
      Honestly, I don't know. But Wikipedia says it was a ligature of two letters ("Ь" and "I"), which later changed their values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yery#Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yery#Origin
- MrDresden 5y ago
  Icelandic has the 'Ö' and also the 'Þ' (goes very well with ':'). Not sure what the 'Æ' could stand in for though
  - __s 5y ago
    Æ looks like the blank face of shame. Somehow I'm picturing E being the mouth's shape in that expression
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  That one's also part of German. They have umlauts for A, O, and U. Though as far as I can tell, the German Ä is just a variant of "E". The other two are their own vowels, and they used to be rendered in English as "oe" and "ue". It's not clear to me why we decided that it was better to write "Gödel" as "Godel" than as "Goedel".

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