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For real. People here are treating them with whistleblower gloves. There's nothing of that sort going on here. Just unethical, horrible stuff.

TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
All kinds of unethical horrible stuff doesn't get a Secret Service raid. The whole point of the unethical horrible stuff was to get people to think about what they were doing, think about what was happening with tech and surveillance, think at all. An artist got their home raided, Cambridge Analytica - which was manipulation on an industrial scale - barely got a slapped wrist. Ad tech uses mass surveillance to build personal profiles and hardly anyone notices - because the surveillance and behaviour mod happen under the surface. Who is more unethical? Which response was proportionate?
- yupper32 5y ago
  > An artist got their home raided, Cambridge Analytica - which was manipulation on an industrial scale - barely got a slapped wrist. Please tell me your post is satire. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/23/judge-grants-search-warrant-for-cambridge-analyticas-offices https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/23/judge-grants-se... I'm not saying Cambridge Analytica was sufficiently prosecuted, but using the home raid of the author as a comparison screams satire.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    Were charges pressed? No. Was there a court case? No. Was there a guilty verdict? No. What was the justification for the raid? Perhaps you need to revise your understanding of Fourth Amendment protection from fishing expeditions before dismissing a home raid which found no grounds for prosecution as "satire."
    - bbarnett 5y ago
      Hmm. I'm a big proponent for sanctity of the home. So, this made me think ; where does the current home end, and the current office? If the future, we may see more and more home raids, where an employer's malfeasance results in employee "workspaces" being raided for info. All computers taken, mobile phones, various office artifacts, with homes involved due to work-from-home. I suspect this may have already happened many times over the years, with CEOs, employees of small startups working from home. Has this battle already been lost? Not sure for Canada and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but what of the US? Does work from home, mean raids are easily justified?
    - batty_alex 5y ago
      > What was the justification for the raid? They had a warrant to seize assets used for developing the spyware installed on Apple's property. If the feds don't have jurisdiction to investigate potential infringement of other' rights, what do they do about peeping toms? How do they know the extent of this spyware they've deployed? To even get that warrant, they need a decent argument in front of a judge. None of this is infringing on any rights > home raid which found no grounds for prosecution They knocked, presented the warrant, and the agents were cordial and honest. The purpose of these sorts of warrants are for investigative purposes, which is in the warrant. You don't need to promise a prosecution to serve one He made it super-small (and it's not in the FOIA doc, that I could find) but, here's the warrant he was served by the agents at the door: https://kylemcdonald.net/psac/large/warrant.png https://kylemcdonald.net/psac/large/warrant.png They gave him all the reasons they were there, they let him know what would expand the scope of the warrant (drugs or weapons) and discussed, in-detail, what they were there for

TheOtherHobbes 5y ago

All kinds of unethical horrible stuff doesn't get a Secret Service raid. The whole point of the unethical horrible stuff was to get people to think about what they were doing, think about what was happening with tech and surveillance, think at all. An artist got their home raided, Cambridge Analytica - which was manipulation on an industrial scale - barely got a slapped wrist. Ad tech uses mass surveillance to build personal profiles and hardly anyone notices - because the surveillance and behaviour mod happen under the surface. Who is more unethical? Which response was proportionate?

yupper32 5y ago
> An artist got their home raided, Cambridge Analytica - which was manipulation on an industrial scale - barely got a slapped wrist. Please tell me your post is satire. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/23/judge-grants-search-warrant-for-cambridge-analyticas-offices https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/23/judge-grants-se... I'm not saying Cambridge Analytica was sufficiently prosecuted, but using the home raid of the author as a comparison screams satire.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  Were charges pressed? No. Was there a court case? No. Was there a guilty verdict? No. What was the justification for the raid? Perhaps you need to revise your understanding of Fourth Amendment protection from fishing expeditions before dismissing a home raid which found no grounds for prosecution as "satire."
  - bbarnett 5y ago
    Hmm. I'm a big proponent for sanctity of the home. So, this made me think ; where does the current home end, and the current office? If the future, we may see more and more home raids, where an employer's malfeasance results in employee "workspaces" being raided for info. All computers taken, mobile phones, various office artifacts, with homes involved due to work-from-home. I suspect this may have already happened many times over the years, with CEOs, employees of small startups working from home. Has this battle already been lost? Not sure for Canada and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but what of the US? Does work from home, mean raids are easily justified?
  - batty_alex 5y ago
    > What was the justification for the raid? They had a warrant to seize assets used for developing the spyware installed on Apple's property. If the feds don't have jurisdiction to investigate potential infringement of other' rights, what do they do about peeping toms? How do they know the extent of this spyware they've deployed? To even get that warrant, they need a decent argument in front of a judge. None of this is infringing on any rights > home raid which found no grounds for prosecution They knocked, presented the warrant, and the agents were cordial and honest. The purpose of these sorts of warrants are for investigative purposes, which is in the warrant. You don't need to promise a prosecution to serve one He made it super-small (and it's not in the FOIA doc, that I could find) but, here's the warrant he was served by the agents at the door: https://kylemcdonald.net/psac/large/warrant.png https://kylemcdonald.net/psac/large/warrant.png They gave him all the reasons they were there, they let him know what would expand the scope of the warrant (drugs or weapons) and discussed, in-detail, what they were there for