"the real issue is that they just dont really do software development. " No offense, that kind of seems to be your issue, not theirs. In large orgs if there a

"the real issue is that they just dont really do software development. " No offense, that kind of seems to be your issue, not theirs. In large orgs if there are 10 'technical but not really dev roles' for ever 2 devs ... that's the reality of the world we live in. It's maybe 'sad' that we call can't write code, but that's maybe not quite an 'industry' problem. On the other hand, using giant fragile stacks with a million dependencies and systems that are an 'inherent mess' ... well that's maybe a little bit different and motivation is different because you might be actually wasting your time. But in reality there is a ton of work to be done and most of it is not glamorous.