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Combine it with a "Social Credit System" [1] and some Black Mirror episodes don't seem that far fetched all of a sudden. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socia

Combine it with a "Social Credit System" [1] and some Black Mirror episodes don't seem that far fetched all of a sudden. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

sellyme 5y ago
At least one significantly more far-fetched Black Mirror episode has come to life, so I think that adjustment of expectations has already occurred.
- dnautics 5y ago
  Well to be fair what was happening to Britney in large part preceded the writing of the episode (and IRL there was way less tech involved), so it's uncertain if the black mirror episode took inspiration from real life.
  - sellyme 5y ago
    I was talking about the pig episode.
    - dnautics 5y ago
      Come again? I haven't heard of a leader blackmailed into doing something by dark net agents... Did I miss something?
      - trsohmers 5y ago
        Guessing he is referring to this: https://news.yahoo.com/british-prime-minister-reveals-put-000544785.html https://news.yahoo.com/british-prime-minister-reveals-put-00... There was a “no comment” denial evidently, for whatever that is worth. Also, hi Isaac.
    - kemiller 5y ago
      Wait what?
      - sellyme 5y ago
        A couple of years ago there were allegations that David Cameron had performed sexual acts on a pig as part of a hazing ritual in his school days. There was no compelling evidence, but on account of it being extremely funny (and relatively inconsequential) everyone more or less accepted it as fact.
        dnautics 5y ago
        So 1) no tech involved 2) no blackmail involved, 3) no prime minister (at the time of the event in question) involved.
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lettergram 5y ago
The current administration in the U.S. was / is considering a tax per mile driven -- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-buttigieg-suggests-taxing-drivers-by-the-mile-to-pay-for-infrastructure-bill/ar-BB1f0qfk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-buttigieg-sugge... The same administration (and media) is suggesting making life as hard as possible to not inject yourself with an experimental drug (which never even completed animal testing). > CNN medical contributor Leana Wen says that life needs to be "hard" for unvaccinated Americans, with "twice weekly testings." https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414272338800033797 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414272338800033797 > “Now we need to go to community-by-community, neighborhood-by-neighborhood, and oftentimes, door-to-door — literally knocking on doors — to get help to the remaining people" who need to be vaccinated, Biden said Tuesday. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/white-house-calling-critics-door-door-vaccine-push-78767358 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/white-house-calling-... Now, imagine -- they can turn off our finances if you don't comply with exactly what's being suggested. You cannot travel, you must inject yourself with w.e. they want, etc. etc. You must NOT have an abortion if you have X characteristics and you Must have an abortion if you aren't married, etc. Crazy stuff can happen. In LA they were already shutting off people's water which didn't comply with state orders on the number of people in a home: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-power-houses-hosting-large-parties-gatherings/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-powe... I cannot imagine what would happen to all those people if they attended the party that wasn't state sanctioned. This is super dangerous territory. It's why everyone should be opposed to cryptocurrencies that are centrally controlled and not anonymous. Even Bitcoin has much of the same issues, imagine if the U.S. gov blacklisted your wallet and anyone doing business with a given address would be arrested... the end results would be the same.
- semilattice 5y ago
  You actually do not need go far to answer most of the questions you are thinking through. Australia (and to lesser degree Sweden ) are considered to be forerunners, the test-environments for the policies advocated by EU, Left politicians, and global tycoons. >"... Within days of the COVID-19 outbreak in Australia, most shops began eschewing cash, with a preference for cards. And here’s the thing – most of us quickly complied. Recently, banking experts have said that over the 12 weeks or so that the pandemic was at a crisis point across the nation, the digital banking revolution sped up rapidly, by about five years. ..." [1] Anonymity brings a way to evade authorities. If authorities are 'bad', anonymity is 'good'. If authorities are 'good', anonymity is 'bad'. So for the part of the population that believes in individual rights and ability of an individual to decide what to put into their bodies, how to defense themselves/etc -- the authority is bad. For the part of the population that trusts pundits, government intelligence agencies, government's health organizations -- the authority is good, therefore anonymity is bad. Perhaps these two opposite mindsets can not live peacefully in one country forever. So periodically, they get into a fight, and decides who will claim the victory. The victorious then, will try to erase part of the history that makes them look bad. And then, the whole cycle will start again. It takes about 5-8 generations. So around 200-300 years years. It is panful to watch, unnecessary and really bad for humanity -- but it seems like we are not destined to get out of that cycle There are solution to it, I believe. But neither in western countries, nor globally -- we are going, in the directions of those solutions... [1] https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2020/07/13/the-dark-side-of-australias-cashless-society/ https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2020/07/13/the-dark-side-of-a...
razius 5y ago
They expressed the desire to put everything behind a digital id lock, from social media, travel to food: - https://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_Fh3FBP8STmALVn_hlbPLEuX8yOPDRhH9UdrDwXcqukI.webp https://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_Fh3F... - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-identity-frameworks/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-...
guscost 5y ago
“Vaccine passports” would be used to open the door for this system.
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markzzerella 5y ago
IT-Backed Authoritarianism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT-backed_authoritarianism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT-backed_authoritarianism

sellyme 5y ago

At least one significantly more far-fetched Black Mirror episode has come to life, so I think that adjustment of expectations has already occurred.

dnautics 5y ago
Well to be fair what was happening to Britney in large part preceded the writing of the episode (and IRL there was way less tech involved), so it's uncertain if the black mirror episode took inspiration from real life.
- sellyme 5y ago
  I was talking about the pig episode.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    Come again? I haven't heard of a leader blackmailed into doing something by dark net agents... Did I miss something?
    - trsohmers 5y ago
      Guessing he is referring to this: https://news.yahoo.com/british-prime-minister-reveals-put-000544785.html https://news.yahoo.com/british-prime-minister-reveals-put-00... There was a “no comment” denial evidently, for whatever that is worth. Also, hi Isaac.
  - kemiller 5y ago
    Wait what?
    - sellyme 5y ago
      A couple of years ago there were allegations that David Cameron had performed sexual acts on a pig as part of a hazing ritual in his school days. There was no compelling evidence, but on account of it being extremely funny (and relatively inconsequential) everyone more or less accepted it as fact.
      - dnautics 5y ago
        So 1) no tech involved 2) no blackmail involved, 3) no prime minister (at the time of the event in question) involved.

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lettergram 5y ago

The current administration in the U.S. was / is considering a tax per mile driven -- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-buttigieg-suggests-taxing-drivers-by-the-mile-to-pay-for-infrastructure-bill/ar-BB1f0qfk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-buttigieg-sugge... The same administration (and media) is suggesting making life as hard as possible to not inject yourself with an experimental drug (which never even completed animal testing). > CNN medical contributor Leana Wen says that life needs to be "hard" for unvaccinated Americans, with "twice weekly testings." https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414272338800033797 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414272338800033797 > “Now we need to go to community-by-community, neighborhood-by-neighborhood, and oftentimes, door-to-door — literally knocking on doors — to get help to the remaining people" who need to be vaccinated, Biden said Tuesday. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/white-house-calling-critics-door-door-vaccine-push-78767358 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/white-house-calling-... Now, imagine -- they can turn off our finances if you don't comply with exactly what's being suggested. You cannot travel, you must inject yourself with w.e. they want, etc. etc. You must NOT have an abortion if you have X characteristics and you Must have an abortion if you aren't married, etc. Crazy stuff can happen. In LA they were already shutting off people's water which didn't comply with state orders on the number of people in a home: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-power-houses-hosting-large-parties-gatherings/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-powe... I cannot imagine what would happen to all those people if they attended the party that wasn't state sanctioned. This is super dangerous territory. It's why everyone should be opposed to cryptocurrencies that are centrally controlled and not anonymous. Even Bitcoin has much of the same issues, imagine if the U.S. gov blacklisted your wallet and anyone doing business with a given address would be arrested... the end results would be the same.

semilattice 5y ago
You actually do not need go far to answer most of the questions you are thinking through. Australia (and to lesser degree Sweden ) are considered to be forerunners, the test-environments for the policies advocated by EU, Left politicians, and global tycoons. >"... Within days of the COVID-19 outbreak in Australia, most shops began eschewing cash, with a preference for cards. And here’s the thing – most of us quickly complied. Recently, banking experts have said that over the 12 weeks or so that the pandemic was at a crisis point across the nation, the digital banking revolution sped up rapidly, by about five years. ..." [1] Anonymity brings a way to evade authorities. If authorities are 'bad', anonymity is 'good'. If authorities are 'good', anonymity is 'bad'. So for the part of the population that believes in individual rights and ability of an individual to decide what to put into their bodies, how to defense themselves/etc -- the authority is bad. For the part of the population that trusts pundits, government intelligence agencies, government's health organizations -- the authority is good, therefore anonymity is bad. Perhaps these two opposite mindsets can not live peacefully in one country forever. So periodically, they get into a fight, and decides who will claim the victory. The victorious then, will try to erase part of the history that makes them look bad. And then, the whole cycle will start again. It takes about 5-8 generations. So around 200-300 years years. It is panful to watch, unnecessary and really bad for humanity -- but it seems like we are not destined to get out of that cycle There are solution to it, I believe. But neither in western countries, nor globally -- we are going, in the directions of those solutions... [1] https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2020/07/13/the-dark-side-of-australias-cashless-society/ https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2020/07/13/the-dark-side-of-a...

razius 5y ago

They expressed the desire to put everything behind a digital id lock, from social media, travel to food: - https://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_Fh3FBP8STmALVn_hlbPLEuX8yOPDRhH9UdrDwXcqukI.webp https://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_Fh3F... - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-identity-frameworks/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-...

guscost 5y ago

“Vaccine passports” would be used to open the door for this system.

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markzzerella 5y ago

IT-Backed Authoritarianism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT-backed_authoritarianism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT-backed_authoritarianism