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> It’s hard to imagine you are really claiming that nobody who says ‘defund the police’ means to abolish the police. You're playing semantic games with "means"

> It’s hard to imagine you are really claiming that nobody who says ‘defund the police’ means to abolish the police. You're playing semantic games with "means" here, you're using it as a verb, "intends to" and not "is a synonym for", as we have been previously in the conversation. Breaking it down, people who intend to abolish the police almost by definition also support defunding it. Because that's a step towards abolishment. So you're correct, I'm not claiming that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ intends to abolish the police" I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. > Obviously they are, but when some people say they are putting toothpaste on their toothbrush, they are doing so because they plan on brushing their teeth. This would be more compelling if there were people who felt that just putting toothpaste on the brush was the goal. But it isn't, because we both agree that there are some people who's only goal is to (partially) defund the police. I'm going to disengage now because I can't see how this was done in good faith.

zepto 5y ago
> I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. Plenty of people are using it as a synonym for abolish the police. That’s we’ll documented. However those people seem to be quite honest about the meaning - I.e. they are not trying to trick people.
zepto 5y ago
> I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. Plenty of people are using it as a synonym for abolish the police. That’s we’ll documented. However those people seem to be quite honest about the meaning - I.e. they are not trying to trick people. > I'm going to disengage now because I can't see how this was done in good faith. What part are you saying is not good faith?
zepto 5y ago
> You're playing semantic games … Am I? > I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. Plenty of people are using it as a synonym for abolish the police. That’s well documented, and weird to deny. However those people seem to be quite honest about the meaning - I.e. they are not trying to trick people. > I'm going to disengage now because I can't see how this was done in good faith. What claim are you saying is not made in good faith?

zepto 5y ago

> I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. Plenty of people are using it as a synonym for abolish the police. That’s we’ll documented. However those people seem to be quite honest about the meaning - I.e. they are not trying to trick people.

zepto 5y ago

> You're playing semantic games … Am I? > I am saying that "nobody who says ‘defund the police’ is using it as a synonym for abolish the police" to trick people. Plenty of people are using it as a synonym for abolish the police. That’s well documented, and weird to deny. However those people seem to be quite honest about the meaning - I.e. they are not trying to trick people. > I'm going to disengage now because I can't see how this was done in good faith. What claim are you saying is not made in good faith?