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However it is amazing what an impact does living at a place away from were one grew up in have in the perception of the world. I had already traveled a lot ( a

by stayjin 15y ago

However it is amazing what an impact does living at a place away from were one grew up in have in the perception of the world. I had already traveled a lot ( as a tourist ) before I left Greece to come and live in Japan, when I started to make a life here, I practically had to rediscover myself. It is not so much the big things, it's the small ones : habits that I took for granted, jokes that do not sound funny, if you can ask someone's phone number... Like a very thin safety net of supporting culture I never new was there just disappeared underneath me. I also had a fresh view of Greece , and my life before I think traveling gives you a change of perspective difficult to grasp at home

ristretto 15y ago
Travelling is different than living abroad though, right?
- Tomek_ 15y ago
  Depends how your travels looks like, you can travel living in luxury hotels, spend most of the time with people from your country either by the hotel swimming pool or guided tours or in the museums - or you can be less savy and go a bit "guerilla" with your travels: go a bit off from the typical tourists' paths, see the real local culture (not the one from museums) and real local people - this should be enough to "open up your mind" for different cultures (of course living abroad adds more of that but you can get some essence even if you stay somewhere for only a couple of days.
  - stayjin 15y ago
    This is so true. My current work as a system engineer implementing ERP systems for overseas affiliates, takes me often to work abroad (from Japan, that is) for a few weeks a time. Although I don't have time to do almost any sight-seeing at all, and although they will usually have me stay in more or less high grade hotels (that narrow one's vision, because they are the same, everywhere), it is working together with the local operators and managers, eating together, understanding their work ethic and habits, getting their feedback, pushing it together through the transition period, so when I go back I feel I understand a little bit more about the country from these interactions than from whatever I saw during my limited time off work.
- stayjin 15y ago
  Yes it is (at least for me it was). It has to do with the change of perspective. When traveling you usually curry your original perspective with you so it is kind of difficult to see things from another angle while bound for back home. I guess it depends on how you travel though (the OP sounds like a very serious traveler).
bemmu 15y ago
Where in Japan are you located? I'm in Tokushima.
- stayjin 15y ago
  Hi thanks for replying, I am in Kobe, close to Osaka. Do you ever come to Osaka, by any chance?
  - jason_tko 15y ago
    Hey Stayjin, I'm coming to Osaka next week actually on Friday. Let me know if you have time for a coffee! My email address is in my profile. Cheers,
    - ycombiefan 15y ago
      screw coffee. Asians drink tea not coffee.
    - stayjin 15y ago
      I guess it is not a coincidence, but just in case that you don't know it already, patio11 is giving a talk at a presentation group we have here called "Design Matters", at the Osaka Shinsaibashi Apple Store. It will be great. Check out http://designmatters.jp/ http://designmatters.jp/ This group was initiated by Garr Raynolds of http://www.presentationzen.com/ http://www.presentationzen.com/ but Garr became very busy, so since last year, together with another guy we run the show.
      - styrmis 15y ago
        Sorry to barge in but I'd love to go to this; the website just mentions something for April 5th though; can I assume that patio11's talk is on from 7pm at the Apple Store in Shinsaibashi this Friday? I'd also be interested in grabbing a coffee some time with others from HN; my e-mail is in my profile, please drop me a line :) Thanks!
        15y ago
darklajid 15y ago
Thanks for sharing. I just (a month ago) did a relocation and while I'm not as far away from my former home as you (we are talking about 3.000km here) I certainly notice the first free-fall encounters. I'm glad to read that you recommend it. I hope one day I'll give out the same advice, from another perspective.
ycombiefan 15y ago
what's with all these society-rejects living in Japan? you know you will always be looked down upon as a foreigner, a gaijin, right? you will never be accepted as one of them even if you marry a jp. wife

by stayjin 15y ago

ristretto 15y ago

Travelling is different than living abroad though, right?

Tomek_ 15y ago
Depends how your travels looks like, you can travel living in luxury hotels, spend most of the time with people from your country either by the hotel swimming pool or guided tours or in the museums - or you can be less savy and go a bit "guerilla" with your travels: go a bit off from the typical tourists' paths, see the real local culture (not the one from museums) and real local people - this should be enough to "open up your mind" for different cultures (of course living abroad adds more of that but you can get some essence even if you stay somewhere for only a couple of days.
- stayjin 15y ago
  This is so true. My current work as a system engineer implementing ERP systems for overseas affiliates, takes me often to work abroad (from Japan, that is) for a few weeks a time. Although I don't have time to do almost any sight-seeing at all, and although they will usually have me stay in more or less high grade hotels (that narrow one's vision, because they are the same, everywhere), it is working together with the local operators and managers, eating together, understanding their work ethic and habits, getting their feedback, pushing it together through the transition period, so when I go back I feel I understand a little bit more about the country from these interactions than from whatever I saw during my limited time off work.
stayjin 15y ago
Yes it is (at least for me it was). It has to do with the change of perspective. When traveling you usually curry your original perspective with you so it is kind of difficult to see things from another angle while bound for back home. I guess it depends on how you travel though (the OP sounds like a very serious traveler).

bemmu 15y ago

Where in Japan are you located? I'm in Tokushima.

stayjin 15y ago
Hi thanks for replying, I am in Kobe, close to Osaka. Do you ever come to Osaka, by any chance?
- jason_tko 15y ago
  Hey Stayjin, I'm coming to Osaka next week actually on Friday. Let me know if you have time for a coffee! My email address is in my profile. Cheers,
  - ycombiefan 15y ago
    screw coffee. Asians drink tea not coffee.
  - stayjin 15y ago
    I guess it is not a coincidence, but just in case that you don't know it already, patio11 is giving a talk at a presentation group we have here called "Design Matters", at the Osaka Shinsaibashi Apple Store. It will be great. Check out http://designmatters.jp/ http://designmatters.jp/ This group was initiated by Garr Raynolds of http://www.presentationzen.com/ http://www.presentationzen.com/ but Garr became very busy, so since last year, together with another guy we run the show.
    - styrmis 15y ago
      Sorry to barge in but I'd love to go to this; the website just mentions something for April 5th though; can I assume that patio11's talk is on from 7pm at the Apple Store in Shinsaibashi this Friday? I'd also be interested in grabbing a coffee some time with others from HN; my e-mail is in my profile, please drop me a line :) Thanks!
      - 15y ago

darklajid 15y ago

Thanks for sharing. I just (a month ago) did a relocation and while I'm not as far away from my former home as you (we are talking about 3.000km here) I certainly notice the first free-fall encounters. I'm glad to read that you recommend it. I hope one day I'll give out the same advice, from another perspective.

ycombiefan 15y ago

what's with all these society-rejects living in Japan? you know you will always be looked down upon as a foreigner, a gaijin, right? you will never be accepted as one of them even if you marry a jp. wife