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> Which is still ridiculous. Even McDonald's don't have the same menu everywhere. That's why analogies never work. Here, it's simple: - that person is alread

> Which is still ridiculous. Even McDonald's don't have the same menu everywhere. That's why analogies never work. Here, it's simple: - that person is already paying Netflix, legally - SG1 was available on Netflix, so the money was going to whoever owns the right to SG1, too - Then SG1 was not made available (for whichever reason, in 99% of the cases blame the rights owner, and you'll be right) So now the rights owner earns exactly zero dollars for SG1 from people who are paying for Netflix. If those people chose to pirate SG1, literally nothing in the equation will change: the owners will keep not getting the money. And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix.

johnchristopher 5y ago
> If those people chose to pirate SG1, literally nothing in the equation will change: the owners will keep not getting the money. Wrong. The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. > And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix. No. The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. 1. Their own fault 2. It has been proven, time and again, that piracy goes down, significantly, once content is available. So they will get their money even from people who pirated this content previously. Why? Because it's much easier to just pay Netflix and watch or re-watch. > The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content. Ah yes. The poor owners who didn't anything at all and now are suffering. Except they did: they made their own content unavailable. The person was willingly giving them money, legally. The owners made their content unavailable. Guess they didn't want money after all. Edit. Oatmeal's evergreen take on this: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones
  - johnchristopher 5y ago
    > > The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. > 1. Their own fault Owners have made a bad commercial move but it doesn't force people to pirate their content. Nothing does. There are no pressure from SG1 owners to pirate their content, no incentives. On the contrary they will use digital rights laws to protect their assets. It's entirely their rights to do so and nothing in the commonwealth, US or European laws give the right to people to pirate SG1 content when it's not available on a streaming platform. > 2. It has been proven, time and again, that piracy goes down, significantly, once content is available. So ? It doesn't make piracy of SG1 content legal in any way. > So they will get their money even from people who pirated this content previously. Why? Because it's much easier to just pay Netflix and watch or re-watch. > > The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content. > Ah yes. The poor owners who didn't anything at all and now are suffering. Except they did: they made their own content unavailable. Which is their entire freaking right to do so. Just like maintainers of open source projects don't owe their users anything the SG1 content owners don't owe anything to Netflix users. > The person was willingly giving them money, legally. The owners made their content unavailable. Guess they didn't want money after all. No, the person was willingly giving money to a third-party, Netflix. > Guess they didn't want money after all. Or maybe Netflix got greedy or maybe the contract between them had limit in time and Netflix agreed to that time limit or maybe SG1 content owners have another contract with another platform and then the person is free to subscribe to it. Whatever it is, it's up to them to manage their content however they see fit. Whatever it is, the sole responsibility in pirating SG1 content is on the pirates. There are no way around it, at no point were they forced to pirate it. They are free agents of this world, they decided to obtain something from someone and that someone clearly didn't want to sell it. I am pirating a lot of stuff but I am not hiding behind entitled justifications which don't make sense. Edit. Oatmeal's evergreen take on this: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones I read it, I don't see new arguments in the comic ?
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > It's entirely their rights to do so and nothing in the commonwealth Literally no one said it wasn't their right to do so > Which is their entire freaking right to do so. Just like maintainers of open source projects don't owe their users anything the SG1 content owners don't owe anything to Netflix users. Literally no one said it wasn't their right to do so > Whatever it is, it's up to them to manage their content however they see fit. Literally no one said it wasn't up to them > It doesn't make piracy of SG1 content legal in any way. Literally no one said that. Now. When you're ready to argue with what I'm saying, I will gladly continue this discussion. However, so far you're debating some points literally no one said.
dylan604 5y ago
>So now the rights owner earns exactly zero dollars for SG1 from people who are paying for Netflix. That's not how it works. Netflix pays the licensing fees to the content owners, and then hope to recover that money from subscribers. Maybe there's a clause that says they get extra money based on number of viewers, but very doubtful for some catalog title. The fees have to be paid upfront, and it's not a monthly pay as you go where if you miss a payment you get the license reposessed.

johnchristopher 5y ago

> If those people chose to pirate SG1, literally nothing in the equation will change: the owners will keep not getting the money. Wrong. The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. > And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix. No. The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content.

dmitriid 5y ago
> The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. 1. Their own fault 2. It has been proven, time and again, that piracy goes down, significantly, once content is available. So they will get their money even from people who pirated this content previously. Why? Because it's much easier to just pay Netflix and watch or re-watch. > The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content. Ah yes. The poor owners who didn't anything at all and now are suffering. Except they did: they made their own content unavailable. The person was willingly giving them money, legally. The owners made their content unavailable. Guess they didn't want money after all. Edit. Oatmeal's evergreen take on this: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones
- johnchristopher 5y ago
  > > The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again. > 1. Their own fault Owners have made a bad commercial move but it doesn't force people to pirate their content. Nothing does. There are no pressure from SG1 owners to pirate their content, no incentives. On the contrary they will use digital rights laws to protect their assets. It's entirely their rights to do so and nothing in the commonwealth, US or European laws give the right to people to pirate SG1 content when it's not available on a streaming platform. > 2. It has been proven, time and again, that piracy goes down, significantly, once content is available. So ? It doesn't make piracy of SG1 content legal in any way. > So they will get their money even from people who pirated this content previously. Why? Because it's much easier to just pay Netflix and watch or re-watch. > > The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content. > Ah yes. The poor owners who didn't anything at all and now are suffering. Except they did: they made their own content unavailable. Which is their entire freaking right to do so. Just like maintainers of open source projects don't owe their users anything the SG1 content owners don't owe anything to Netflix users. > The person was willingly giving them money, legally. The owners made their content unavailable. Guess they didn't want money after all. No, the person was willingly giving money to a third-party, Netflix. > Guess they didn't want money after all. Or maybe Netflix got greedy or maybe the contract between them had limit in time and Netflix agreed to that time limit or maybe SG1 content owners have another contract with another platform and then the person is free to subscribe to it. Whatever it is, it's up to them to manage their content however they see fit. Whatever it is, the sole responsibility in pirating SG1 content is on the pirates. There are no way around it, at no point were they forced to pirate it. They are free agents of this world, they decided to obtain something from someone and that someone clearly didn't want to sell it. I am pirating a lot of stuff but I am not hiding behind entitled justifications which don't make sense. Edit. Oatmeal's evergreen take on this: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones I read it, I don't see new arguments in the comic ?
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > It's entirely their rights to do so and nothing in the commonwealth Literally no one said it wasn't their right to do so > Which is their entire freaking right to do so. Just like maintainers of open source projects don't owe their users anything the SG1 content owners don't owe anything to Netflix users. Literally no one said it wasn't their right to do so > Whatever it is, it's up to them to manage their content however they see fit. Literally no one said it wasn't up to them > It doesn't make piracy of SG1 content legal in any way. Literally no one said that. Now. When you're ready to argue with what I'm saying, I will gladly continue this discussion. However, so far you're debating some points literally no one said.

dylan604 5y ago

>So now the rights owner earns exactly zero dollars for SG1 from people who are paying for Netflix. That's not how it works. Netflix pays the licensing fees to the content owners, and then hope to recover that money from subscribers. Maybe there's a clause that says they get extra money based on number of viewers, but very doubtful for some catalog title. The fees have to be paid upfront, and it's not a monthly pay as you go where if you miss a payment you get the license reposessed.