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The person doing nothing never errs. I did not say all US intervention was good, but that as a whole, Pax Americana has been great to us. The Chinese or Russia

The person doing nothing never errs. I did not say all US intervention was good, but that as a whole, Pax Americana has been great to us. The Chinese or Russian alternatives are not very enticing.

crubier 5y ago
But China and Russia do not interfere nearly as much with countries all over the planet. And the “just let countries live their life peacefully” alternative is actually much more enticing than “force capitalism and democracy on countries that don’t care, by killing hundreds of thousands and ruining lives so they end up hating it for generations” reality that we live in. Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan, maybe learn from your mistakes at some point and acknowledge this strategy is not the best?
- eitland 5y ago
  > But China and Russia do not interfere nearly as much with countries all over the planet. Tell that to Taiwan and Ukraine. Or go back and tell it to the entire eastern Europe, Afghanistan, Tibet etc. I also guess most Cubans today would have wished Sovjet didn't interfere back in the day. America and the west generally is prone to mindless self-flaggelation.
  - crubier 5y ago
    Taiwan and Ukraine are neighbors of China and Russia respectively. Also, I didn’t talk about the Soviet Union which disappeared 30years ago. But about Russia, who does not spend trillions in wars halfway round the globe. Imagine China having occupied (and largely destroyed) 2 separate European countries for the past 15years. Or Russia having occupied two separate Latin American countries for the past 15years. Clearly the level of interventionism of the US is unmatched.
    - eitland 5y ago
      Upvoted. Still, one major difference: US always left. Taiwan can forget about their freedom forever if China occupies it. Eastern Europe only got out because USSR collapsed.

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The person doing nothing never errs. I did not say all US intervention was good, but that as a whole, Pax Americana has been great to us. The Chinese or Russia

by flyinglizard 5y ago

The person doing nothing never errs. I did not say all US intervention was good, but that as a whole, Pax Americana has been great to us. The Chinese or Russian alternatives are not very enticing.

crubier 5y ago
But China and Russia do not interfere nearly as much with countries all over the planet. And the “just let countries live their life peacefully” alternative is actually much more enticing than “force capitalism and democracy on countries that don’t care, by killing hundreds of thousands and ruining lives so they end up hating it for generations” reality that we live in. Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan, maybe learn from your mistakes at some point and acknowledge this strategy is not the best?
- eitland 5y ago
  > But China and Russia do not interfere nearly as much with countries all over the planet. Tell that to Taiwan and Ukraine. Or go back and tell it to the entire eastern Europe, Afghanistan, Tibet etc. I also guess most Cubans today would have wished Sovjet didn't interfere back in the day. America and the west generally is prone to mindless self-flaggelation.
  - crubier 5y ago
    Taiwan and Ukraine are neighbors of China and Russia respectively. Also, I didn’t talk about the Soviet Union which disappeared 30years ago. But about Russia, who does not spend trillions in wars halfway round the globe. Imagine China having occupied (and largely destroyed) 2 separate European countries for the past 15years. Or Russia having occupied two separate Latin American countries for the past 15years. Clearly the level of interventionism of the US is unmatched.
    - eitland 5y ago
      Upvoted. Still, one major difference: US always left. Taiwan can forget about their freedom forever if China occupies it. Eastern Europe only got out because USSR collapsed.