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As a French person, I remember very clearly when war in Afghanistan and then Irak was decided almost 20years ago, and how obvious the outcome was for us even ba
by crubier 5y ago
As a French person, I remember very clearly when war in Afghanistan and then Irak was decided almost 20years ago, and how obvious the outcome was for us even back then.
In 2003 I was 16, but we already knew how this was going to end up, and tried to warn our American friends, yet we were bullied with the whole « freedom fries » bullshit.
Since then, we saw events unroll exactly as we expected for basically 20years with no significant deviation from the idea we had of how things would go. Really frustrating and tragic situation.
- the-dude 5y agoI am not trying to devalue your Frenchness, but there were protests around the world at the time. In London for example, but Amsterdam too ( I was there ).
- crubier 5y agoOh yes, Europe in general was against it. France got the honor of getting canceled before cancelling was cool but I’m not saying we were smarter than the rest. But America was fooled
- the-dude 5y ago> But America was fooled Do you mean the government or the public?
- nate_meurer 5y agoFucking both. The invasions were popular with the American public. Who could argue with both the New York Times and Colin Powell?
- crubier 5y agoBoth. The people in power have power over the government through lobbying and over the public through press and media. So both were fooled indeed
- nate_meurer 5y agoEvery time I hear "freedom fries", an interesting bit of trivia come to my mind: the guy who forced the capitol cafeteria to add Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast to the menu, Rep. Bob Ney, was one of only three republicans in the House to vote against the Patriot Act.