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Cyberpunk derivatives
- prionassembly 5y agoCame in expecting these to be like an exotic kind of option.
- MichaelMoser123 5y agoNever dared to ask: is Vonneguth a cyberpunk author?
- Jtsummers 5y agoVonnegut. No h. Which book? I’ve read most of his novels and most of what’s considered cyberpunk (well, nothing recent though). I can’t think of any of his books that would fit the cyberpunk genre. Closest might be Player Piano which hits a few of the themes, but isn’t really cyberpunk and is more dystopian.
- __s 5y agoHarrison Bergeron involves the opposite of cyber augmentations He definitely writes with enough cynicism towards technology to fit the genre
- MichaelMoser123 5y agoSlapstick?
- Jtsummers 5y agoThat’s actually among the few I haven’t gotten to yet so I couldn’t comment on it.
- MichaelMoser123 5y agomaybe books by Vonnegut don't qualify, but Kilgore Trouts stuff does.
- MichaelMoser123 5y agoalso, in 'cat's cradle' - ice nine and the whole RAMJAC corporation in 'jailbird' ?
- hprotagonist 5y agoi favor the works ostensibly written as parodies that wind up accidentally defining the genre.
- rm_-rf_slash 5y agoHeh, then it’s no accident your username references Snow Crash.
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- Nbox9 5y agoSo many of these genres are applied to works long after they have been completed. For example, The Flintstones are labeled as stonepunk, even though it originally aired in the early 60s.
- kijin 5y agoThat happens with every genre. Genres are labels. You can attach them to works long after the fact, whether the original creator(s) intended or not. Jules Verne wrote steampunk a century before the term was even coined. Cervantes wrote a novel before novels were a thing (at least in the West), and thereby defined what a novel should look like. The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Greek tradition of epic poetry by at least a millennium, but nobody denies that it's an epic poem.
- danidiaz 5y agoDon Quixote is windmillpunk! Less facetiously, it's a work informed by the technological developments of its time. http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/cervantes-bulletin-of-the-cervantes-society-of-america--8/html/0278c536-82b2-11df-acc7-002185ce6064_18.html http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/cervantes-bulleti... According to this article https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/2/plank2art.htm https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/2/plank2art.htm "windmills were first erected in La Mancha thirty years or less before Don Quixote was written" and this gives new nuances to Quixote's delusion. That's not the only encounter with "advanced" technology; there's also the episode with the water-powered "fulling-hammers" https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/d/don-quixote/summary-and-analysis/part-1-chapter-xx https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/d/don-quixote/summary... Don Quixote also rails against modern military technology like firearms.
- platz 5y agoThere are probably only a handful of people in the world using the term stonepunk, while steampunk is quite popular. Most of the obscure references here do not have broad adoption. In order for a genre to have influence it has to have cultural resonance
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- fhars 5y agoHow many of these come with their own genre of heavy metal music?
- riffraff 5y agoI wonder if the hyper taxonomization of genres is something specific to our era. When I was a kid we barely distinguished between horror and thriller but nowadays books are written on the subtle differences between slipstream and new weird, and the subgenres of fantasy and sci-fi are legions. Maybe it's Wikipedia's fault.
- the_rectifier 5y agoMore nuance is the opposite of a problem.
- user-the-name 5y agoHyper-specialised labelling is the opposite of nuance.
- JimiofEden 5y agoIt might also just be a matter of growing up and suddenly realizing that everything seems so much more defined than previously thought. Anecdotally, but I also noticed that from around 2000 to 2010, suddenly everything needed to be categorized very specifically. But what stood out is that people would get very weirdly upset if you put something in the wrong box, and all but start a fight about it (over forums, of course.) This was especially prevalent in the electronic music scene, but happens to this day during video game genre discussions.
- Kye 5y agoThe "Is Zelda an RPG?" hell threads come to mind.
- agarsev 5y agoI think it is fine to pursue this ever increasingly detailed classification of things (not only in art or pop culture, this applies to other knowledge too, including science). The problem might come if one takes one of these descriptive, post-hoc classifications, ignores the fact that they are often diffuse and imperfect, and then tries to use it as a predictive model to explain and deal with everything, and discard any data that doesn't fit. But people like meta, so it might not even be a problem :)
- jameshart 5y agoCyberpunk derivatives? I guess cyberpunk futures are a well defined market (some would argue we are living in one right now), but are there also cyberpunk options and cyberpunk swaps?
- thebooktocome 5y agoYou jest, but one of the main features of cyberpunk is a sense of hauntology, the economy of futures that never were: "Is hauntology, then, some attempt to revive the supernatural, or is it just a figure of speech? The way out of this unhelpful opposition is to think of hauntology as the agency of the virtual, with the spectre understood not as anything supernatural, but as that which acts without (physically) existing." -- Mark Fisher, Ghosts of My Life, emph. added.
- agbell 5y ago> Cyber noir is subgenre that combines elements of noir and cyberpunk. Isn't cyber punk supposed to be film noir set in a high tech future? So we just increasing the amount of film noir to get Cyber Noir?
- microtherion 5y agoYes, I think cyberpunk was always film noir inspired. E.g. I seem to recall that William Gibson was influenced by Dashiel Hammett.
- spfzero 5y agoThat one really stood out to me as well. All of the early Cyberpunk I remember reading seemed noir as hell. But maybe Cyberpunk has become such a big tent that "original" Cyberpunk needs a new name.
- stevula 5y agoSnow Crash is cyberpunk but it would be a stretch to call it noir.
- q-big 5y agoSee also "Punk Punk" on TV Tropes: > https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk
- Hamuko 5y agoMissing "brainpunk", which according to SCARLET NEXUS producers is a thing.