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You'll need to jump to my conclusion that under 18 shouldn't be vaxxed. That's an easily supported position. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-hea

by ipspam 5y ago

You'll need to jump to my conclusion that under 18 shouldn't be vaxxed. That's an easily supported position. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-... 170 deaths under 14. That's statistically no different than 0 given the way Covid deaths are counted. Now take VAERs, 12-17 years, which is the youngest so far. This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show: 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides. The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer.Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762). 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J. 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine. 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna. Most of the difference is explainable by the method of counting. Kids shouldn't be getting vaccines.

tylerhou 5y ago
If you die 17 days after vaccination, that's probably not related to the vaccine itself. Second, you haven't accounted for the fact that teenagers can transmit the virus. Even if the vaccine is "worse" the virus for teenagers (which is not necessarily true), stopping the pandemic can mean fewer deaths in the long run.
- pwner39 5y ago
  A thirteen year old kid dies from a heart attack a couple weeks after taking the vaccine and you think the vaccine was probably not the cause? Seriously? Second, kids/teenagers shouldn't get the vaccine if the chance of the vaccine affecting them negatively is higher than that of COVID-19. Everybody that is seriously at risk when it comes to COVID-19 (the elderly and the ones with underlying conditions/obesity) should have already received their doses.
  - tylerhou 5y ago
    You have no idea what underlying conditions the kid might have had. By 17 days there is probably only trace amounts of the vaccine left in the body. Second, you (or the original poster) can't criticize the methodology of counting Covid deaths (every person who tested positive is counted as a death) and then use the exact same methodology to count vaccine deaths.
    - swiley 5y ago
      I think they just want something consistent which is reasonable.
    - Vecr 5y ago
      If the vaccine causes an inflammation process there's no reason myocarditis or something similar could not last for weeks at least. I don't think a heart attack at 17 days is out of the question. You don't need actual antigen for inflammation to stay around, that's immediately obvious if you look at some people's arms and lymph nodes a week or more after vaccination.
gregw2 5y ago
Umm, heard of long covid? My neighbor has had it for a year. Don't want my kids to get it...
- sometimesokay 5y ago
  My colleague got her first vaccine in January as she was considered immunocompromised but days after she had swollen ankles, lymph nodes, some brain fog, and a bunch of symptoms. They’ve run tests on her such as cancer and other illnesses and has not been able to find anything. She also got her second shot after but 6 months later since the initial, she’s now questioning whether it’s the vaccines it was the only thing that was different for her day to day and doctors haven’t been able to find anything else. My mom’s friend had 2 doses as well but with the 2nd dose she’s gone deaf in one ear. Same thing, doctors are running a lot of tests on her to determine if it’s something else, but it’s been months as well and no findings yet. And then a good friend of mine, doctor at a local hospital, got his 2 doses way back and his alopecia came back (though he had cancer 15 years ago and had beat it) so the vaccine may have triggered it back. These are some first hand cases I know with people that have symptoms post vaccination. Long covid sucks but I don’t think we can discredit the fact that there may be ‘long covid shots’ too. I think we all need to look at our own risk profile and determine the risk of firstly getting it, recovering from it and then should long covid happen, how to manage it. I really like how Dr. John Campbell puts it here https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 (starts 19:54). Though if your kids at vulnerable then that’s a different story.
  - taxicabjesus 5y ago
    @cameronks retweeted about a study that says severe COVID-19 is an autoimmune condition. I think this also suggests "long covid" and reactions to the jabs are also auto-immune conditions. https://twitter.com/DaveLeeERMD/status/1413816137570205697 https://twitter.com/DaveLeeERMD/status/1413816137570205697 > Long covid sucks but I don’t think we can discredit the fact that there may be ‘long covid shots’ too. The shots are made with the spike protein, which probably does damage regardless of its source (virus / pharmaceutical product).

by ipspam 5y ago

tylerhou 5y ago

If you die 17 days after vaccination, that's probably not related to the vaccine itself. Second, you haven't accounted for the fact that teenagers can transmit the virus. Even if the vaccine is "worse" the virus for teenagers (which is not necessarily true), stopping the pandemic can mean fewer deaths in the long run.

pwner39 5y ago
A thirteen year old kid dies from a heart attack a couple weeks after taking the vaccine and you think the vaccine was probably not the cause? Seriously? Second, kids/teenagers shouldn't get the vaccine if the chance of the vaccine affecting them negatively is higher than that of COVID-19. Everybody that is seriously at risk when it comes to COVID-19 (the elderly and the ones with underlying conditions/obesity) should have already received their doses.
- tylerhou 5y ago
  You have no idea what underlying conditions the kid might have had. By 17 days there is probably only trace amounts of the vaccine left in the body. Second, you (or the original poster) can't criticize the methodology of counting Covid deaths (every person who tested positive is counted as a death) and then use the exact same methodology to count vaccine deaths.
  - swiley 5y ago
    I think they just want something consistent which is reasonable.
  - Vecr 5y ago
    If the vaccine causes an inflammation process there's no reason myocarditis or something similar could not last for weeks at least. I don't think a heart attack at 17 days is out of the question. You don't need actual antigen for inflammation to stay around, that's immediately obvious if you look at some people's arms and lymph nodes a week or more after vaccination.

gregw2 5y ago

Umm, heard of long covid? My neighbor has had it for a year. Don't want my kids to get it...

sometimesokay 5y ago
My colleague got her first vaccine in January as she was considered immunocompromised but days after she had swollen ankles, lymph nodes, some brain fog, and a bunch of symptoms. They’ve run tests on her such as cancer and other illnesses and has not been able to find anything. She also got her second shot after but 6 months later since the initial, she’s now questioning whether it’s the vaccines it was the only thing that was different for her day to day and doctors haven’t been able to find anything else. My mom’s friend had 2 doses as well but with the 2nd dose she’s gone deaf in one ear. Same thing, doctors are running a lot of tests on her to determine if it’s something else, but it’s been months as well and no findings yet. And then a good friend of mine, doctor at a local hospital, got his 2 doses way back and his alopecia came back (though he had cancer 15 years ago and had beat it) so the vaccine may have triggered it back. These are some first hand cases I know with people that have symptoms post vaccination. Long covid sucks but I don’t think we can discredit the fact that there may be ‘long covid shots’ too. I think we all need to look at our own risk profile and determine the risk of firstly getting it, recovering from it and then should long covid happen, how to manage it. I really like how Dr. John Campbell puts it here https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 (starts 19:54). Though if your kids at vulnerable then that’s a different story.
- taxicabjesus 5y ago
  @cameronks retweeted about a study that says severe COVID-19 is an autoimmune condition. I think this also suggests "long covid" and reactions to the jabs are also auto-immune conditions. https://twitter.com/DaveLeeERMD/status/1413816137570205697 https://twitter.com/DaveLeeERMD/status/1413816137570205697 > Long covid sucks but I don’t think we can discredit the fact that there may be ‘long covid shots’ too. The shots are made with the spike protein, which probably does damage regardless of its source (virus / pharmaceutical product).