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You're deluded. As someone with experience of more than a few Muslim countries, I can categorically say that nothing you're trying to paint has any semblence to

by isr 5y ago

You're deluded. As someone with experience of more than a few Muslim countries, I can categorically say that nothing you're trying to paint has any semblence to reality. You're pretending that a woman who divorces and remarries is considered to be guilty of adultery. The Quran, in black and white, disagrees with you. Legal code in every Muslim country I am aware of does not agree with you. And no Muslim society I have any experience of would tolerate what you're trying to push. In short, you're lying. > but you are painting this backward religion as way nicer than it actually is. And this quote shows your agenda and incentive. This is nothing more than bigoted online trolling. You're adding 2 and 2, getting 35, and screaming out loud about it. You're just rehashing stuff you consume from other equally-excited anti-Muslim bigots, who swap all sorts of fake superstitious nonsense of what Islam actually is (none of which has any connection to reality). Its sad. Pathetic, sad, and yet oh so predictable. Whatever your affliction, deal with it on your own time, and in your own space. Hacker News is not the place for flat-earthers and other such-like fakery peddlers.

candiodari 5y ago
> You're pretending that a woman who divorces and remarries is considered to be guilty of adultery. A woman cannot divorce a man. So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries. This is a fallacy: you're just "misunderstanding" a situation and then describing the outcome of a different one with strong wording. > And this quote shows your agenda and incentive And I suppose you attacking me shows your agenda. What is it with people defending 1500 year old texts? They are backward. All of them. Including your favorite one. Including my favorite one. Is that really so controversial? We know better. On all fronts. Better than every religion. Including your favorite one. Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am, it doesn't pertain to the argument.
- isr 5y ago
  > A woman cannot divorce a man A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther. The real joke is that you're probably unaware of what Islam actually teaches, nor what the law is in practice. You're just regurgitating ragged hand-me-down propaganda sheets. And you've swallowed the kool aid. Yes, definately a flat-earther ... > So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries. No, thats the situation racist Islamophobic bigot #1 tried to insist upon. Do try to keep up. > Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am Self awareness is a start. Stick on that path. > it doesn't pertain to the argument There really isn't an argument to be had when you and your ilk's "arguments" are 50% complete ignorance and 50% outright deliberate lies. And you are 100% stuck to your bigoted guns. So thats the end of that.
  - candiodari 5y ago
    > > A woman cannot divorce a man > A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther. Problem is, what I find online agrees with me. A man can just divorce, for any reason, at any time. Most but not all sources claim there's a waiting period, some allow instant divorce. Some sources claim it is "discouraged" to go this way. A woman can ask an imam for a divorce, which then may or may not be granted. There needs to be a reason for the divorce. Most sources seem to indicate this is a fairly general right of people. The man can ask for the same process. The "police"/state can ask for it, at least in some countries/interpretations. Some family members can ask for it, or can ask for it to be denied. And it does seem there are plenty of interpretations of sharia that state it should be flat-out denied if a woman initiates it. And then there's Shi'a islam, where a right to divorce exists, IF agreed to by the man and woman before the marriage. So I don't see how what I said as a lie. A man can divorce a woman, a woman cannot (if I add "by herself", would that make you happy?). She can ask an imam to dissolve the marriage, and of course a number of American Imams seem to have started to blindly (not hearing both sides) grant them for a few dollars, which is very funny I must say. Still doesn't change matters.

by isr 5y ago

candiodari 5y ago

> You're pretending that a woman who divorces and remarries is considered to be guilty of adultery. A woman cannot divorce a man. So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries. This is a fallacy: you're just "misunderstanding" a situation and then describing the outcome of a different one with strong wording. > And this quote shows your agenda and incentive And I suppose you attacking me shows your agenda. What is it with people defending 1500 year old texts? They are backward. All of them. Including your favorite one. Including my favorite one. Is that really so controversial? We know better. On all fronts. Better than every religion. Including your favorite one. Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am, it doesn't pertain to the argument.

isr 5y ago
> A woman cannot divorce a man A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther. The real joke is that you're probably unaware of what Islam actually teaches, nor what the law is in practice. You're just regurgitating ragged hand-me-down propaganda sheets. And you've swallowed the kool aid. Yes, definately a flat-earther ... > So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries. No, thats the situation racist Islamophobic bigot #1 tried to insist upon. Do try to keep up. > Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am Self awareness is a start. Stick on that path. > it doesn't pertain to the argument There really isn't an argument to be had when you and your ilk's "arguments" are 50% complete ignorance and 50% outright deliberate lies. And you are 100% stuck to your bigoted guns. So thats the end of that.
- candiodari 5y ago
  > > A woman cannot divorce a man > A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther. Problem is, what I find online agrees with me. A man can just divorce, for any reason, at any time. Most but not all sources claim there's a waiting period, some allow instant divorce. Some sources claim it is "discouraged" to go this way. A woman can ask an imam for a divorce, which then may or may not be granted. There needs to be a reason for the divorce. Most sources seem to indicate this is a fairly general right of people. The man can ask for the same process. The "police"/state can ask for it, at least in some countries/interpretations. Some family members can ask for it, or can ask for it to be denied. And it does seem there are plenty of interpretations of sharia that state it should be flat-out denied if a woman initiates it. And then there's Shi'a islam, where a right to divorce exists, IF agreed to by the man and woman before the marriage. So I don't see how what I said as a lie. A man can divorce a woman, a woman cannot (if I add "by herself", would that make you happy?). She can ask an imam to dissolve the marriage, and of course a number of American Imams seem to have started to blindly (not hearing both sides) grant them for a few dollars, which is very funny I must say. Still doesn't change matters.