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> “Who cares? Do you even care? I don't think you do“ > “ The goal was never to make a desktop with no features” Wow, your first paragraph you accuse people o
by imwillofficial 5y ago
> “Who cares? Do you even care? I don't think you do“
> “ The goal was never to make a desktop with no features”
Wow, your first paragraph you accuse people of lying at worst, or capriciously taking a position that doesn’t matter to them at best. It gets better in paragraph number two where you misquote GP and go boxing with that strawman.
So to address your first paragraph, I’d say people here care a lot, and the bashing they do is not out of a place of tribalism, but out of a place of constructive criticism. Most of us here would LOVE to see improvement in $ArchEnemySoftware, and the failures strike deep because this stuff means so much to us. A mixture of disappointment with the status quo, and/or poor judgement calls with design or execution, rather than knocking a bit of tech that doesn’t appeal to us.
As for the second paragraph, GP didn’t say “no features” in reference to GNOME, but decried the basic features that were removed, thereby rendering the software less useful to them.
I’d take a brighter outlook on discussions like these, if the points land on the right ears, perhaps positive change might happen in GNOME. We can hope anyway.
- zxzax 5y agoI'm not accusing anyone of that and I'm not misquoting, please stop with this hostility. In my experience, people are happy to switch when it suits them. By "no features" I was referring to those basic features. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I also didn't see any constructive criticism, if you have any specific suggestions for positive change you'd like to make, then please make them. I'm all ears. But for the record, if you'd like to get involved in development, places like HN and reddit are generally not a good place to do it. The people who are most likely to listen to requests don't visit here.
- imwillofficial 5y agoSo let me get this straight. According to you, I should not criticize software that does not meet my needs lest it be interpreted as bashing and ruin the party for those who do use the software in question? That’s my take, please correct me if I’m not understanding your point properly. Also, no hostility here. I find these discussions illuminating. As for Reddit and HN, these places are excellent places for such commentary. Often times the maintainers of different packages heed complaints leveled here and change their ways. That’s a win for everyone if the change is a positive one.
- zxzax 5y ago>According to you, I should not criticize software that does not meet my needs I have not said that, I just asked you for your specific criticisms.
- imwillofficial 5y agoI don’t know what GP deemed as basic functionality that was removed from GNOME. I use MacOS on the desktop.
- zxzax 5y agoWell there you go, you switched to a Mac :)
- imwillofficial 5y agoSo GPs opinion isn’t valid because I switched to the Mac, got it
- zxzax 5y agoNo, not at all. If you do ever use this and you develop an opinion on it, feel free to share.
- imwillofficial 5y agoI find it really weird how you seem to think you’re the arbiter of how much people care, when they can share their opinions, and what opinions are valid. Perhaps you should keep those ideas to yourself and only concern yourself with your own level of contribution to the topic at hand. I don’t need you to mind my comments.
- _d7dt 5y agoI don't think that at all, I'm just another person giving my opinion, like you. Also, I don't understand why you said that, but then asked me to keep my opinions to myself.