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Analysis of Covid-19 vaccine death reports from VAERS

43 points by johntfella 5y ago

alea_iacta_est 5y ago
From December 2020 to April 2021: 1644 deaths and 28,000 serious adverse events. On the credibility of the sources for the VAERS database: "We identified health service employees as the reporter in at least 67% of the reports, while pharmaceutical employees were identified as the reporter in a further 5%. Lay people were identifiable as the reporter in only 28% of the reports."
scotty79 5y ago
> there were only 14% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be ruled out as a contributing factor in their death. They should take same number of deaths in similarly old and sickly population reported after different vaccine and compare if they can rule out covid vaccine as the factor contributing to demise in people who never took covid vaccine.
- justwanttolearn 5y ago
  I recall a study of the like that did this https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372
slumdev 5y ago
VAERS has logged another 4,000-ish deaths since April 2021. Scary to think only 14% of those aren't a result of the vaccine.
joe-collins 5y ago
Data points: • This interim analysis covers only 250 deaths, out of 1644 in the set. The majority were reported by healthcare professionals. • In 5% (13/250 cases), vaccine was most likely cause of death. • In 14%, vaccine was ruled out. • In the remainder, the vaccine remains plausible. • However, "the sample is heavily biased because these were all people vaccinated very early in the programme when only the elderly, those with significant or chronic health conditions and frontline health service staff were being vaccinated."
ck2 5y ago
They think they've figured out why some people clot now: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03744-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03744-4 But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction. What bothers me is instead of developing a test to determine who is at risk "science" and "policy makers" write it off as "well only a very very tiny percent of people will have a reaction/death so it's acceptable". Well no, not really acceptable if you are that 1% (I happen to be one of the 1% with very bad reaction for months now, trust me you feel like someone has let down your entire life by not looking out for your situation and writing you off as expendable while hand-waiving it's all going to be okay). There were reactions with the original SARS vaccines too, there is always a risk group but never a test developed to predict who is at risk: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
- Andys 5y ago
  I agree, the level of scientific curiosity over this is much lower than expected.
- detaro 5y ago
  Plenty places restricted or entirely stopped using the adeno-based vaccines because of the clots. The test you suggest would be useful, but is there a reason to assume there is an effective way of testing for risk? Once the main mechanism was found, tests to detect it happening/distinguish from other clots were developed to make it easier to treat. It's not like nothing happened about this.
- swiley 5y ago
  >But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction. Which is why no one should be required to take it.
kaminar 5y ago
The number is well over 6000 deaths...where are you getting 1644? Any death is wrongful, and the poisonous jabs are causing more than just deaths.
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- ostenning 5y ago
  1644 is the number listed in the report
ipspam 5y ago
It's pretty hard to make a case against VAERs when everyone that died WITH Covid was ruled a Covid death. Applying the same fear mongering rules to the Vaccine is where we are now. Take out 90ish% of the Covid deaths, and the pandemic isnt serious, nor are the vaccine reactions. Keep the VAERs and the current Covid accounting and nobody under 18 should be vaccinated. 18-30 is unknown. 30+ should probably still be vaxxed. The propoganda monster has swallowed its own tale
- addicted 5y ago
  This is absolutely false when any reasonable analysis of excess deaths shows that COVID deaths were vastly undercounted across the world. And the issue with VAERS being misused to create doubts about vaccines by anti-vaxxers has existed long before COVID was something anyone had ever heard about, so your claim that COVID death counting procedures have something to do with the VARRS misuse is also easily proven false, unless the anti vaxxers time traveled.
  - manwe150 5y ago
    Wow, yeah. There was several months where the daily count of unvaccinated deaths in the US exceeded the total count of VAERS deaths. I don’t know where he got his numbers, but seems like he dropped a couple orders of magnitude from his comparisons? Miscoding 90% of deaths might not be an official pandemic by some definition, but still is substantially more deadly than the vaccine, even if those were vastly underreported. (I do not claim either seems likely—I agree with you they possible go in the other direction)
  - ipspam 5y ago
    You'll need to jump to my conclusion that under 18 shouldn't be vaxxed. That's an easily supported position. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-... 170 deaths under 14. That's statistically no different than 0 given the way Covid deaths are counted. Now take VAERs, 12-17 years, which is the youngest so far. This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show: 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides. The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer.Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762). 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J. 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine. 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna. Most of the difference is explainable by the method of counting. Kids shouldn't be getting vaccines.

43 points by johntfella 5y ago

From December 2020 to April 2021: 1644 deaths and 28,000 serious adverse events. On the credibility of the sources for the VAERS database: "We identified health service employees as the reporter in at least 67% of the reports, while pharmaceutical employees were identified as the reporter in a further 5%. Lay people were identifiable as the reporter in only 28% of the reports."

scotty79 5y ago

> there were only 14% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be ruled out as a contributing factor in their death. They should take same number of deaths in similarly old and sickly population reported after different vaccine and compare if they can rule out covid vaccine as the factor contributing to demise in people who never took covid vaccine.

justwanttolearn 5y ago
I recall a study of the like that did this https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1372

slumdev 5y ago

VAERS has logged another 4,000-ish deaths since April 2021. Scary to think only 14% of those aren't a result of the vaccine.

joe-collins 5y ago

Data points: • This interim analysis covers only 250 deaths, out of 1644 in the set. The majority were reported by healthcare professionals. • In 5% (13/250 cases), vaccine was most likely cause of death. • In 14%, vaccine was ruled out. • In the remainder, the vaccine remains plausible. • However, "the sample is heavily biased because these were all people vaccinated very early in the programme when only the elderly, those with significant or chronic health conditions and frontline health service staff were being vaccinated."

ck2 5y ago

They think they've figured out why some people clot now: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03744-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03744-4 But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction. What bothers me is instead of developing a test to determine who is at risk "science" and "policy makers" write it off as "well only a very very tiny percent of people will have a reaction/death so it's acceptable". Well no, not really acceptable if you are that 1% (I happen to be one of the 1% with very bad reaction for months now, trust me you feel like someone has let down your entire life by not looking out for your situation and writing you off as expendable while hand-waiving it's all going to be okay). There were reactions with the original SARS vaccines too, there is always a risk group but never a test developed to predict who is at risk: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Andys 5y ago
I agree, the level of scientific curiosity over this is much lower than expected.
detaro 5y ago
Plenty places restricted or entirely stopped using the adeno-based vaccines because of the clots. The test you suggest would be useful, but is there a reason to assume there is an effective way of testing for risk? Once the main mechanism was found, tests to detect it happening/distinguish from other clots were developed to make it easier to treat. It's not like nothing happened about this.
swiley 5y ago
>But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction. Which is why no one should be required to take it.

kaminar 5y ago

The number is well over 6000 deaths...where are you getting 1644? Any death is wrongful, and the poisonous jabs are causing more than just deaths.

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ostenning 5y ago
1644 is the number listed in the report

ipspam 5y ago

It's pretty hard to make a case against VAERs when everyone that died WITH Covid was ruled a Covid death. Applying the same fear mongering rules to the Vaccine is where we are now. Take out 90ish% of the Covid deaths, and the pandemic isnt serious, nor are the vaccine reactions. Keep the VAERs and the current Covid accounting and nobody under 18 should be vaccinated. 18-30 is unknown. 30+ should probably still be vaxxed. The propoganda monster has swallowed its own tale

addicted 5y ago
This is absolutely false when any reasonable analysis of excess deaths shows that COVID deaths were vastly undercounted across the world. And the issue with VAERS being misused to create doubts about vaccines by anti-vaxxers has existed long before COVID was something anyone had ever heard about, so your claim that COVID death counting procedures have something to do with the VARRS misuse is also easily proven false, unless the anti vaxxers time traveled.
- manwe150 5y ago
  Wow, yeah. There was several months where the daily count of unvaccinated deaths in the US exceeded the total count of VAERS deaths. I don’t know where he got his numbers, but seems like he dropped a couple orders of magnitude from his comparisons? Miscoding 90% of deaths might not be an official pandemic by some definition, but still is substantially more deadly than the vaccine, even if those were vastly underreported. (I do not claim either seems likely—I agree with you they possible go in the other direction)
- ipspam 5y ago
  You'll need to jump to my conclusion that under 18 shouldn't be vaxxed. That's an easily supported position. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-... 170 deaths under 14. That's statistically no different than 0 given the way Covid deaths are counted. Now take VAERs, 12-17 years, which is the youngest so far. This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show: 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides. The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer.Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762). 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J. 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine. 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna. Most of the difference is explainable by the method of counting. Kids shouldn't be getting vaccines.