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Do you have any links to peer reviewed evidence of "long covid"? I haven't seen anything remotely convincing. But I am open to changing my mind.

scotty79 5y ago
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3 https://www.healtheuropa.eu/research-shows-long-covid-is-linked-to-alteration-in-immune-system/107521/ https://www.healtheuropa.eu/research-shows-long-covid-is-lin... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01283-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01283-z https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-research-shows-2-million-people-may-have-had-long-covid https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-research-shows-2-mill... https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/nihr-publishes-second-themed-review-on-long-covid/27232 https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/nihr-publishes-second-themed-rev... https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/06/20/study-documents-changes-in-brain-after-covid-19-infection/?sh=12ed9288403a https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/06/20/study-do... What exactly are you not convinced about?
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  Besides the above links ( thanks for those) What's your resource that long covid isn't a thing @chitowneats? I don't understand how people can think that dying is the only issue with covid. I know young people ( mid 30), that had it very bad. And I was scared as shit to have the same. I'm vaccinated now though.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Most of us in our mid 30's have mild cases. Until I see evidence of it, I'm going to treat it as media driven hysteria. Like masks on 4 year olds. From the first link above: "loss of taste and/or smell (28%, 17/61), fatigue (21%, 13/61), dyspnea (13%, 8/61), impaired concentration (13%, 8/61) and memory problems (11%, 7/61)." Does anyone really consider these to be a serious syndrome caused by covid infection? I'm pretty sure I experienced most of these from the lockdowns alone. Lots of folks also think they have fibromyalgia and that it's not just in their head (it is). From the second link: “It remains to be established if these immune alterations are unique to COVID-19, or whether they are also observed following other severe respiratory infections." Uh, ok...
    - scotty79 5y ago
      Lucky for you that you haven't personally seen any case of long covid, I personally know two people suffering from it and third one bit more distant. Two of those are in people 30-40 years old. Third one is over 60. One had some unusual brain fog and memory issues, second one is unable to work and still treated for various symptoms. The older one became housebound while before that she was self sufficient and even taking care for young girl from extended family. To think of it I also know of one very young person in family of my friends that had to be hospitalized multiple times for post covid stuff. He's not even 20. You may of course discount all of this that it couldn't happen spontaneously or after a bad flu. That's why I believe long covid is a thing mostly because of reports comming from all over the globe and associated research not because of those personal stories. If you need evidence of your own eyes to believe something I don't envy you or anyone that relies on your decisions.
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      > I haven't seen anything remotely convincing. But I am open to changing my mind. It was so obvious that you're statement was just a fluff. Long covid isn't easy to measure. Eg. Not everyone was admitted to the hospital, what are the symptoms related, are those symptoms unique to long covid, ... But by now, it should be clear that long covid exists and covid deaths aren't the only problem related to this disease. Being in a denial state is your problem, not mine. I think it's currently a specific US political motivated issue, as I haven't encountered anyone in Belgium that claimed it's irrelevant/not existing.
      - chitowneats 5y ago
        Americans are generally more suspicious of state propaganda and mass psychosis, yes.
        NicoJuicy 5y ago
        It's not real propaganda is it. The state wants people to be vaccinated as quick as possible and a political party + Anon is dismissing it as "just a cold/5G/nanobots" and some people believe it. It's more like propaganda against the state and a lot of Americans believe that misinformation. At least other countries / citizens seem to have more common sense.

scotty79 5y ago

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3 https://www.healtheuropa.eu/research-shows-long-covid-is-linked-to-alteration-in-immune-system/107521/ https://www.healtheuropa.eu/research-shows-long-covid-is-lin... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01283-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01283-z https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-research-shows-2-million-people-may-have-had-long-covid https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-research-shows-2-mill... https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/nihr-publishes-second-themed-review-on-long-covid/27232 https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/nihr-publishes-second-themed-rev... https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/06/20/study-documents-changes-in-brain-after-covid-19-infection/?sh=12ed9288403a https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/06/20/study-do... What exactly are you not convinced about?

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Besides the above links ( thanks for those) What's your resource that long covid isn't a thing @chitowneats? I don't understand how people can think that dying is the only issue with covid. I know young people ( mid 30), that had it very bad. And I was scared as shit to have the same. I'm vaccinated now though.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Most of us in our mid 30's have mild cases. Until I see evidence of it, I'm going to treat it as media driven hysteria. Like masks on 4 year olds. From the first link above: "loss of taste and/or smell (28%, 17/61), fatigue (21%, 13/61), dyspnea (13%, 8/61), impaired concentration (13%, 8/61) and memory problems (11%, 7/61)." Does anyone really consider these to be a serious syndrome caused by covid infection? I'm pretty sure I experienced most of these from the lockdowns alone. Lots of folks also think they have fibromyalgia and that it's not just in their head (it is). From the second link: “It remains to be established if these immune alterations are unique to COVID-19, or whether they are also observed following other severe respiratory infections." Uh, ok...
  - scotty79 5y ago
    Lucky for you that you haven't personally seen any case of long covid, I personally know two people suffering from it and third one bit more distant. Two of those are in people 30-40 years old. Third one is over 60. One had some unusual brain fog and memory issues, second one is unable to work and still treated for various symptoms. The older one became housebound while before that she was self sufficient and even taking care for young girl from extended family. To think of it I also know of one very young person in family of my friends that had to be hospitalized multiple times for post covid stuff. He's not even 20. You may of course discount all of this that it couldn't happen spontaneously or after a bad flu. That's why I believe long covid is a thing mostly because of reports comming from all over the globe and associated research not because of those personal stories. If you need evidence of your own eyes to believe something I don't envy you or anyone that relies on your decisions.
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    > I haven't seen anything remotely convincing. But I am open to changing my mind. It was so obvious that you're statement was just a fluff. Long covid isn't easy to measure. Eg. Not everyone was admitted to the hospital, what are the symptoms related, are those symptoms unique to long covid, ... But by now, it should be clear that long covid exists and covid deaths aren't the only problem related to this disease. Being in a denial state is your problem, not mine. I think it's currently a specific US political motivated issue, as I haven't encountered anyone in Belgium that claimed it's irrelevant/not existing.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Americans are generally more suspicious of state propaganda and mass psychosis, yes.
      - NicoJuicy 5y ago
        It's not real propaganda is it. The state wants people to be vaccinated as quick as possible and a political party + Anon is dismissing it as "just a cold/5G/nanobots" and some people believe it. It's more like propaganda against the state and a lot of Americans believe that misinformation. At least other countries / citizens seem to have more common sense.