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This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the peop

This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

Peritract 5y ago
He didn't 'talk shit' about a 'good faith attempt'. Unsworth - who knew the cave system - said that Musk's idea was impractical and a PR stunt. Both of those claims are valid and came from a reliable source. During a crisis, there is no particular need to be polite to people getting in the way.
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  I thought he called Elon name’s on Twitter and Elon reciprocated (two wrongs don’t make a right). Maybe I am wrong. Even if his idea was impractical, I was under the impression that he made a best effort attempt (I doubt he willingly chose something impractical) and the solution they chose was the better one (divers).
  - camjohnson26 5y ago
    Musk started the Twitter fight after Unsworth gave an interview: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?s=20 https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...
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- postmeta 5y ago
  https://www.gq.com/story/musk-submarine-where-it-hurts https://www.gq.com/story/musk-submarine-where-it-hurts seems kinda rude, or just british /jk!
cma 5y ago
Didn't Elon disrupt the whole operation at one point, traveling there to get footage or an Instagram Story video? It is easy to see what is going on and that it isn't in good faith. Look a his breached commitments during the Flint water crisis (filter every home to below FDA levels), coronavius (produce ventilators), Peurto Rico huricane aftermath, and more. He as a common pattern with these kind of events.
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  I’m not familiar with his commitments during flint or the hurricane, but his behavior during COVID was despicable. I’m pretty sure he fought to try and prevent work from home, and constantly downplayed the severity of the disease.
  - camjohnson26 5y ago
    Not to mention reopened in defiance of Alameda County regulations. And Vernon did not initiate the Twitter fight, he gave an interview and suggested Musk "stick his submarine where it hurts". Musk took to Twitter where he has millions of followers to strike back. The tweets are deleted but somebody saved a screenshot: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?s=20 https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...
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  - cma 5y ago
    "Please consider this a commitment that I will fund fixing the water in any house in Flint that has water contamination above FDA levels. No kidding." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1017149641991680002 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1017149641991680002
lupire 5y ago
Now you are slandering Unsworth.
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- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  I’m really not. He told Elon to “stick it where it hurts”, which was why I said he talked shit to Elon. Again, I’m not trying to deny that Elon is the bad guy here. But Vernon can be the good guy in a situation and still have made a distasteful mistake (talking disrespectfully).
rtkwe 5y ago
The sub was a bad plan from the beginning, one of the main issues with the rescue was the narrow twisty path through the cave. This wasn't unknown when Musk was touting his sub. Also even if someone was talking shit about his sub and it wasn't a bad idea, that doesn't justify insinuating they're a pedophile...
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  Hence “ This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth”. I still think Vernon’s response to a good faith attempt at solving the problem “stick it where it hurts” was distasteful.
  - rtkwe 5y ago
    I'm think it wasn't really a good faith effort because there were such clear problems with trying to shove a rigid steel tube through the cave that it was clearly wasted attention/effort. There was a lot of criticism during the whole thing that it wasn't doing any good except to get Musk more attention.
    - FearlessNebula 5y ago
      Fair point
ergocoder 5y ago
So what? You can call each other names and fight. Musk has gone beyond that and accused Vernon of being a pedophile and marrying child bride. Maybe it was the heat of the moment. But then some days (or weeks) later he followed up with "I'd bet my signed dollar (that Vernon is a pedo)" (or something like that). Musk intended to destroy Vernon with the pedophile accusation. There is no doubt of that. This is pre-meditated plan to destroy a person with the pedophile accusation. For some reason, there's no outrage from tech companies though. People are still praising Musk as usual. I'm looking at you all the CEOs like Jack Dorsey and etc.
- ducktorcoolass 5y ago
  Oh, so what? It's totally normal to make up baseless accusations, abuse accuse some guy of some specified sexual crime and try to destroy their life and reputation. This is normal, and good. The shining example of one of the greatest things our beautiful culture has given us. The ability to sidestep our ageing legal system and hang men who deserve it anyway for stuff we choose to accuse them of. Thank you to 3rd wave feminism and metoo for normalizing this long overdue vigilantism against the evil patriarchy that's been the only thing blocking and destroying women from their potential forever. So what if some "Innocents" get caught up in the cross fire? Who cares if Musk wields the same axe? The more important thing is that we have a chance to do it to them for once. We have to destroy male confidence and get them running scared, that's the only power we have over that pernicious make privilege and false sexual entitlement to women's bodies. We need to use this scalpel to remake evil traditional male sexuality to not be toxic to modern women, that's the only thing that matters, whatever the cost. How is that not obvious?
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  I’m not debating that Musk slandered him, and I think Musk should have payed out in court. However I still think Vernon’s response to Musk’s submarine solution was distasteful. Instead of saying “sorry, this won’t work because xyz”, or “we’ll try that if our original plan fails”, he told Musk to “stick it where it hurts”. Not a very professional response.

This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

Peritract 5y ago

He didn't 'talk shit' about a 'good faith attempt'. Unsworth - who knew the cave system - said that Musk's idea was impractical and a PR stunt. Both of those claims are valid and came from a reliable source. During a crisis, there is no particular need to be polite to people getting in the way.

FearlessNebula 5y ago
I thought he called Elon name’s on Twitter and Elon reciprocated (two wrongs don’t make a right). Maybe I am wrong. Even if his idea was impractical, I was under the impression that he made a best effort attempt (I doubt he willingly chose something impractical) and the solution they chose was the better one (divers).
- camjohnson26 5y ago
  Musk started the Twitter fight after Unsworth gave an interview: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?s=20 https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...
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postmeta 5y ago
https://www.gq.com/story/musk-submarine-where-it-hurts https://www.gq.com/story/musk-submarine-where-it-hurts seems kinda rude, or just british /jk!

cma 5y ago

Didn't Elon disrupt the whole operation at one point, traveling there to get footage or an Instagram Story video? It is easy to see what is going on and that it isn't in good faith. Look a his breached commitments during the Flint water crisis (filter every home to below FDA levels), coronavius (produce ventilators), Peurto Rico huricane aftermath, and more. He as a common pattern with these kind of events.

FearlessNebula 5y ago
I’m not familiar with his commitments during flint or the hurricane, but his behavior during COVID was despicable. I’m pretty sure he fought to try and prevent work from home, and constantly downplayed the severity of the disease.
- camjohnson26 5y ago
  Not to mention reopened in defiance of Alameda County regulations. And Vernon did not initiate the Twitter fight, he gave an interview and suggested Musk "stick his submarine where it hurts". Musk took to Twitter where he has millions of followers to strike back. The tweets are deleted but somebody saved a screenshot: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?s=20 https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...
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- cma 5y ago
  "Please consider this a commitment that I will fund fixing the water in any house in Flint that has water contamination above FDA levels. No kidding." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1017149641991680002 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1017149641991680002

lupire 5y ago

Now you are slandering Unsworth.

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FearlessNebula 5y ago
I’m really not. He told Elon to “stick it where it hurts”, which was why I said he talked shit to Elon. Again, I’m not trying to deny that Elon is the bad guy here. But Vernon can be the good guy in a situation and still have made a distasteful mistake (talking disrespectfully).

rtkwe 5y ago

The sub was a bad plan from the beginning, one of the main issues with the rescue was the narrow twisty path through the cave. This wasn't unknown when Musk was touting his sub. Also even if someone was talking shit about his sub and it wasn't a bad idea, that doesn't justify insinuating they're a pedophile...

FearlessNebula 5y ago
Hence “ This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth”. I still think Vernon’s response to a good faith attempt at solving the problem “stick it where it hurts” was distasteful.
- rtkwe 5y ago
  I'm think it wasn't really a good faith effort because there were such clear problems with trying to shove a rigid steel tube through the cave that it was clearly wasted attention/effort. There was a lot of criticism during the whole thing that it wasn't doing any good except to get Musk more attention.
  - FearlessNebula 5y ago
    Fair point

ergocoder 5y ago

So what? You can call each other names and fight. Musk has gone beyond that and accused Vernon of being a pedophile and marrying child bride. Maybe it was the heat of the moment. But then some days (or weeks) later he followed up with "I'd bet my signed dollar (that Vernon is a pedo)" (or something like that). Musk intended to destroy Vernon with the pedophile accusation. There is no doubt of that. This is pre-meditated plan to destroy a person with the pedophile accusation. For some reason, there's no outrage from tech companies though. People are still praising Musk as usual. I'm looking at you all the CEOs like Jack Dorsey and etc.

ducktorcoolass 5y ago
Oh, so what? It's totally normal to make up baseless accusations, abuse accuse some guy of some specified sexual crime and try to destroy their life and reputation. This is normal, and good. The shining example of one of the greatest things our beautiful culture has given us. The ability to sidestep our ageing legal system and hang men who deserve it anyway for stuff we choose to accuse them of. Thank you to 3rd wave feminism and metoo for normalizing this long overdue vigilantism against the evil patriarchy that's been the only thing blocking and destroying women from their potential forever. So what if some "Innocents" get caught up in the cross fire? Who cares if Musk wields the same axe? The more important thing is that we have a chance to do it to them for once. We have to destroy male confidence and get them running scared, that's the only power we have over that pernicious make privilege and false sexual entitlement to women's bodies. We need to use this scalpel to remake evil traditional male sexuality to not be toxic to modern women, that's the only thing that matters, whatever the cost. How is that not obvious?
FearlessNebula 5y ago
I’m not debating that Musk slandered him, and I think Musk should have payed out in court. However I still think Vernon’s response to Musk’s submarine solution was distasteful. Instead of saying “sorry, this won’t work because xyz”, or “we’ll try that if our original plan fails”, he told Musk to “stick it where it hurts”. Not a very professional response.