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I'm not American and I'm not sure why you think you can talk for all pregnant women (or maybe pregnant women), or for all recovering alcoholics (what's with the

I'm not American and I'm not sure why you think you can talk for all pregnant women (or maybe pregnant women), or for all recovering alcoholics (what's with the quotes?) or for all beer amateurs. I am giving you an example of why those 2 categories of people might crave the taste and feeling of beer. I suggest you take that anecdata and try and open your mind to other people's tastes. Also, not everyone is a beer snob, and can still like beer. Not everyone has to know the whole gamut of stout to ipa to lager to ale. Some people (I'm guessing most people, judging by the sales of kronenburg and Heineken) just like the general taste of beer. It rings like a discussion with our wine snobs that can't imagine someone liking the refreshing taste of a rosé (most French people I know that like wine also like rosé and yes they don't worry so much about le millésime, la robe, le cépage of their bbq drink)... I can guarantee they enjoy it a lot. Recovering alcoholics might crave the feeling of being refreshed and would probably prefer that drink to a 'water' or coke. What do you know about coping with alcoholism. Do my 10 years dry count? It's hard enough to police oneself without people having opinions on what I should drink... The fact that I can go meet friends, colleagues, business contacts in a pub and not drink while avoiding the shit question is good for recovery. The thing is you can get non alcoholic beer throughout Europe I restaurants and supermarkets (do Poland, Portugal, France and Germany count?) and they're getting better and better every year. As to your point about... burgers? It's getting more and more shunned to get shitfaced for lunch, yes even in France, and maybe you can have the 2 or 3 beers at noon with your meal and still drive (well, no...), work (good luck of anyone smells wine on your breath), etc. No, just because you 'can' drink, should you be only drinking an alcoholic beverage. I have been asking for more NA beers of every small producer I know of and have been making them deliver them to me, across Europe, sometimes across the pond. There are very good NA beers, far tastier and refreshing or interesting than the generic beer.

greatgib 5y ago
Just read this for example: https://www.amethystrecovery.org/can-alcoholics-drink-non-alcoholic-beer/ https://www.amethystrecovery.org/can-alcoholics-drink-non-al... You pretend to represent the ideas of the majority over my comment that would be too general, but you clearly look like to be a special case of a particular fan of NA beer for whatever reason. <<I have been asking for more NA beers of every small producer I know of and have been making them deliver them to me, across Europe>> In Europe, no NA beer tastes anything like a real non-industrial European beer. And by non industrial I mean anything not like kro, Carlsberg, Kronenbourg, 1664, ... That are clearly not known for their tastes.
- touisteur 5y ago
  I pretend nothing of the sort. I was asking what was your point of reference for recovering alcoholic. I have a good one, being one and having done the whole AA and other methods. This AA opinion states several arguments for and against. And talks about competitive drinking? That's your point of reference? Substitutes can help in the social aspect of being a non drinker, and also maybe you can have NA beer without relapsing. I'll take my recovery advice from a doctor or a sponsor, not someone who's found an article on the net. My points stand. You clearly don't know enough about European beers I'll drop this thread. Just try and drink some brewdog punk af or some brooklyn af or some of the delicious Polish AF IPAs I've had. You may want to open your mind to what exists or, please, show your work and cite the ones that you tried and were so bad you can't call them 'beers'.

greatgib 5y ago

Just read this for example: https://www.amethystrecovery.org/can-alcoholics-drink-non-alcoholic-beer/ https://www.amethystrecovery.org/can-alcoholics-drink-non-al... You pretend to represent the ideas of the majority over my comment that would be too general, but you clearly look like to be a special case of a particular fan of NA beer for whatever reason. <<I have been asking for more NA beers of every small producer I know of and have been making them deliver them to me, across Europe>> In Europe, no NA beer tastes anything like a real non-industrial European beer. And by non industrial I mean anything not like kro, Carlsberg, Kronenbourg, 1664, ... That are clearly not known for their tastes.

touisteur 5y ago
I pretend nothing of the sort. I was asking what was your point of reference for recovering alcoholic. I have a good one, being one and having done the whole AA and other methods. This AA opinion states several arguments for and against. And talks about competitive drinking? That's your point of reference? Substitutes can help in the social aspect of being a non drinker, and also maybe you can have NA beer without relapsing. I'll take my recovery advice from a doctor or a sponsor, not someone who's found an article on the net. My points stand. You clearly don't know enough about European beers I'll drop this thread. Just try and drink some brewdog punk af or some brooklyn af or some of the delicious Polish AF IPAs I've had. You may want to open your mind to what exists or, please, show your work and cite the ones that you tried and were so bad you can't call them 'beers'.