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Was just watching Youtube video Veritassium about the non-existence of learning styles yesterday. I wonder if similar studies would show that there really are

Was just watching Youtube video Veritassium about the non-existence of learning styles yesterday. I wonder if similar studies would show that there really are no introverts vs. extroverts in the sense that all people really have roughly the same need for human contact. Kind of like everyone needs physical activity, but some people gravitate more to it than others. Probably the wrong forum to voice such a theory...

watwut 5y ago
Or that it is spectrum with most in the middle. And that anxieties, shyness, awkwardness are orthogonal to it. And that being loud dont imply extroversion either.
ErikVandeWater 5y ago
All people need a strong sense of connection, but not all people thrive with a high degree of contact.
jstx1 5y ago
The Veritasium video talks about research and how the evidence doesn't support the learning styles theory. On the other hand, psychology theory into personality has a lot of evidence to show that people vary a lot on their extraversion. The reported results (from Big Five and similar personality tests) are usually in percentiles relative to some reference population rather than a label of introvert or extrovert.
DeusExMachina 5y ago
The Big Five model statistically shows that extroversion/introversion is one of the five axis over which personality varies. So studies already showed that there are introverts and extroverts. The only thing you could say is wrong is the supposed dichotomy. Instead, we have a gaussian distribution along the axis.
- dannyw 5y ago
  OP isn't saying there are no preference differences, but rather all humans have a similar level of need for social contact.
slfawr_intrvrt 5y ago
Throwaway because personal. Here’s my experience as an introvert: I don’t feel compelled to actively seek out social interaction. And it drains me. But ... if I don’t get it, I start feeling depression symptoms and go sort of insane. Heck, it took me a while to even figure out there was a connection between the two and those symptoms had an easy fix! I compare it to people who can’t feel pain [1] in that I’m hurting myself but don’t immediately recognize the source of the pathology. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pa...
themodelplumber 5y ago
All people are introverts Some people are introverts No one is an introvert These are each true depending on the framing, and this aspect is even true to the original Jungian theory. Maybe that helps explain why quantification and studies can only go so far. Similar with learning styles... IMO holding any model lightly is a good idea. That way you don't need studies as badly when you have a conflicting result in which an introvert desperately wants to head to a party.
- psalminen 5y ago
  Exactly. That's why the whole "extroverted introvert" movement everyone's so proud to join has always annoyed me.
cryptica 5y ago
You must be an extrovert. I don't think it's black and white. It's more like a spectrum. Some people become more drained than others when hanging around other people. Also, some people like to hang out with many different people each day while others prefer to see more or less the same person every day. I'm an introvert, I have very few friends but very good friends. I find most relationships to be too superficial to my liking. What's the point of having a friend if you know that this friend is capable of betraying you to gain a tiny advantage? I'm a pretty good judge of people and I find that at least 90% of people are far too selfish (not altruistic enough) to make good friends. It's too draining to hang around the majority of people because I don't like them and pretending to is exhausting and frankly I don't see the point. I can only be friends with people who are as altruistic as I am (or close to it)... Why would you want to spend time with people who are constantly trying to take something from you? That's the definition of a parasite. My theory is that people with low altruism are themselves more likely to tolerate other people with low altruism. They might even prefer them since they feel more familiar. That may be part of the reason why psychopaths end up grouping together; aside from their shared thirst for power.
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goodpoint 5y ago
The video on learning styles was good. It's sad to see school teachers accepting fad theories without evidence. Even worse: it's not surprising. > I wonder if similar studies would show that there really are no introverts vs. extroverts There has been many and they show that introversion and extroversion are very real. > in the sense that all people really have roughly the same need for human contact. People often confuse need for contact, introversion and loneliness. They are different dimensions.

watwut 5y ago

Or that it is spectrum with most in the middle. And that anxieties, shyness, awkwardness are orthogonal to it. And that being loud dont imply extroversion either.

ErikVandeWater 5y ago

All people need a strong sense of connection, but not all people thrive with a high degree of contact.

jstx1 5y ago

The Veritasium video talks about research and how the evidence doesn't support the learning styles theory. On the other hand, psychology theory into personality has a lot of evidence to show that people vary a lot on their extraversion. The reported results (from Big Five and similar personality tests) are usually in percentiles relative to some reference population rather than a label of introvert or extrovert.

DeusExMachina 5y ago

The Big Five model statistically shows that extroversion/introversion is one of the five axis over which personality varies. So studies already showed that there are introverts and extroverts. The only thing you could say is wrong is the supposed dichotomy. Instead, we have a gaussian distribution along the axis.

dannyw 5y ago
OP isn't saying there are no preference differences, but rather all humans have a similar level of need for social contact.

slfawr_intrvrt 5y ago

Throwaway because personal. Here’s my experience as an introvert: I don’t feel compelled to actively seek out social interaction. And it drains me. But ... if I don’t get it, I start feeling depression symptoms and go sort of insane. Heck, it took me a while to even figure out there was a connection between the two and those symptoms had an easy fix! I compare it to people who can’t feel pain [1] in that I’m hurting myself but don’t immediately recognize the source of the pathology. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pa...

themodelplumber 5y ago

All people are introverts Some people are introverts No one is an introvert These are each true depending on the framing, and this aspect is even true to the original Jungian theory. Maybe that helps explain why quantification and studies can only go so far. Similar with learning styles... IMO holding any model lightly is a good idea. That way you don't need studies as badly when you have a conflicting result in which an introvert desperately wants to head to a party.

psalminen 5y ago
Exactly. That's why the whole "extroverted introvert" movement everyone's so proud to join has always annoyed me.

cryptica 5y ago

You must be an extrovert. I don't think it's black and white. It's more like a spectrum. Some people become more drained than others when hanging around other people. Also, some people like to hang out with many different people each day while others prefer to see more or less the same person every day. I'm an introvert, I have very few friends but very good friends. I find most relationships to be too superficial to my liking. What's the point of having a friend if you know that this friend is capable of betraying you to gain a tiny advantage? I'm a pretty good judge of people and I find that at least 90% of people are far too selfish (not altruistic enough) to make good friends. It's too draining to hang around the majority of people because I don't like them and pretending to is exhausting and frankly I don't see the point. I can only be friends with people who are as altruistic as I am (or close to it)... Why would you want to spend time with people who are constantly trying to take something from you? That's the definition of a parasite. My theory is that people with low altruism are themselves more likely to tolerate other people with low altruism. They might even prefer them since they feel more familiar. That may be part of the reason why psychopaths end up grouping together; aside from their shared thirst for power.

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goodpoint 5y ago

The video on learning styles was good. It's sad to see school teachers accepting fad theories without evidence. Even worse: it's not surprising. > I wonder if similar studies would show that there really are no introverts vs. extroverts There has been many and they show that introversion and extroversion are very real. > in the sense that all people really have roughly the same need for human contact. People often confuse need for contact, introversion and loneliness. They are different dimensions.