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Was hoping for similar but 10 gbit. Anyone know a nice small/quiet linux box with 2x10 gbit for use as a router? I have a 8 port x 1gbit ubiquiti router, but

by sliken 5y ago

Was hoping for similar but 10 gbit. Anyone know a nice small/quiet linux box with 2x10 gbit for use as a router? I have a 8 port x 1gbit ubiquiti router, but ubiquiti seems to be going downhill, and 8 port x 10gbit routers are pretty expensive. My plan was a 2 port router and use vlan tagging to a 8+ port 10g switch. That way I can have separate networks for trusted ethernet, trusted wifi, untrusted ethernet, and untrusted wifi.

opencl 5y ago
AsRock makes an X570 ITX board with 2x10gig ethernet, the X570D4I-2T. Though at $500 for the board alone the resulting system is not going to be particularly cheap.
zamadatix 5y ago
Look for an old but not outdated enterprise switch and grab a refurb. Most very large enterprises redo the network on roughly a 7 year cycle and in 2014 10g uplinks with tons of 1g devices was very standard. E.g. for less than 100$ you can usually pick up an ers 4826gts on ebay which has 24 ports of 10/100/1000 copper with POE+ capability and 2 1/10G SFP+ ports. It has hardware switching and routing which will perform better than software, particularly on latency. As far as noise 1u devices are usually a bit whiney even when not pushing much air but that's usually fixed with 1 or 2 200mm PC fans. You'll still likely need something with NAT, preferably hardware NAT, for the actual internet handoff. Some of this class enterprise device have NAT support (not the 4826) but that'll usually be in CPU and perform not that great especially if you have like a gig connection. Or if you want to go pure software here any cheap mini PC with 2 gigabit Ethernet ports should be able to handle NAT reasonably for gig internet or less since it doesn't also have to do the 10g internal route/switch on top.
tyingq 5y ago
I would go with a used SuperMicro A1SAI-2750F motherboard. It comes with an Atom 8-core C2750 (20w TDP) and a single 8 lane PCIe slot, but doesn't need active cooling. Supports ECC ram too. There's a passive heatsink on the CPU that works fine. I believe that would keep up with 2x10gb, be quiet, and power efficient. They are $200 or so used on eBay. So not terribly expensive for something that can push 10g. And it will fit in any Mini-ITX case. Don't be put off by the "Atom" branding. The C2750 was no slouch for its heyday.
- deckard1 5y ago
  I'd probably go with SuperMicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F. It already has 10GbE. Xeon D-1521 2x 10GbE ports onboard 6x SATA3 ports Accepts ECC RDIMM DDR4 (usually cheaper than UDIMM ECC) 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 1x M.2 slot There is one on ebay right now for $230 USD shipped. Also, if you're going for lower power consumption I believe you can disable the IPMI and the 2nd 10GbE port if you don't need it. There are other ways to reduce consumption too. Turn off anything you can on the motherboard that you don't use and use higher density DIMM sticks (and less of them, if you can, e.g. 1x16GB rather than 2x8GB). Also worth paying attention to the PSU's efficiency curve and making sure your PSU is decent quality (reliable + 80+ gold).
  - tyingq 5y ago
    >There is one on ebay right now for $230 USD shipped. Ah, yeah, that's a better deal with the 2x onboard 10Gbe.
  - eqvinox 5y ago
    The cheap ones (including the one you mentioned) are useless because they have 10Gbase-T. You need SFP+ slots to hook up your provider's fiber. Which is kinda sad too because implementing 10Gbase-T is more expensive to implement and more expensive to run (because the 10Gb-T PHY burns power.) Sadly, there's not enough knowledge about this going around.
    - deckard1 5y ago
      yes, well you can get a cheap transceiver for that. You're still going to have to talk to something else and that all goes out the window if you have existing copper in your house or need to have wired devices (NAS, smart TV, xbox, literally anything at all). You probably can't even find a wifi AP that has SFP+ that doesn't cost you 3 arms and 5 legs.
      - eqvinox 5y ago
        > yes, well you can get a cheap transceiver for that. Yes, exactly. I feel like you haven't finished your thought ;) If you have a SFP+ slot, you can plug in a cheap SFP+ 10Gbase-T transceiver. Or a SFP+ fiber transceiver. Or a DAC cable. If you have a 10Gbase-T port, you're stuck and need to buy and power a switch (or, recently, media converter) to get to anything else. And you're now wasting power for 2 10Gbase-T PHYs that are completely pointless for a very short link. Of course you'll be using a bunch of 10Gbase-T for anything where you have existing copper runs that are good enough quality to actually run 10Gbase-T. I'm just saying (1) you shouldn't be using 10Gb-T for cabling things that are next to each other, and (2) you shouldn't be running copper cabling for new installations that you're building explicitly to get 10G over.
smolder 5y ago
I would look at getting a Xeon-D board. They don't draw much, come in mini ITX, and mine have 2x10GbE plus 2x1GbE built in, for a price that's reasonable when you look at standalone NIC costs. The CPU is soldered on, so the cost includes that, too.
traspler 5y ago
I'd love to get something simple that could handle a 10Gbit fiber7 connection and act as a 10Gbit Router & Switch in my home. My skills and patience in this area are a bit limited so going as deep as Michael is not something I could do with confidence. Narrowing down the hardware to something that is not only powerful enough, cheap enough, compatible with something like OPNsense and available to normal humans has kind of scared me off a bit.

by sliken 5y ago

opencl 5y ago

AsRock makes an X570 ITX board with 2x10gig ethernet, the X570D4I-2T. Though at $500 for the board alone the resulting system is not going to be particularly cheap.

zamadatix 5y ago

Look for an old but not outdated enterprise switch and grab a refurb. Most very large enterprises redo the network on roughly a 7 year cycle and in 2014 10g uplinks with tons of 1g devices was very standard. E.g. for less than 100$ you can usually pick up an ers 4826gts on ebay which has 24 ports of 10/100/1000 copper with POE+ capability and 2 1/10G SFP+ ports. It has hardware switching and routing which will perform better than software, particularly on latency. As far as noise 1u devices are usually a bit whiney even when not pushing much air but that's usually fixed with 1 or 2 200mm PC fans. You'll still likely need something with NAT, preferably hardware NAT, for the actual internet handoff. Some of this class enterprise device have NAT support (not the 4826) but that'll usually be in CPU and perform not that great especially if you have like a gig connection. Or if you want to go pure software here any cheap mini PC with 2 gigabit Ethernet ports should be able to handle NAT reasonably for gig internet or less since it doesn't also have to do the 10g internal route/switch on top.

tyingq 5y ago

I would go with a used SuperMicro A1SAI-2750F motherboard. It comes with an Atom 8-core C2750 (20w TDP) and a single 8 lane PCIe slot, but doesn't need active cooling. Supports ECC ram too. There's a passive heatsink on the CPU that works fine. I believe that would keep up with 2x10gb, be quiet, and power efficient. They are $200 or so used on eBay. So not terribly expensive for something that can push 10g. And it will fit in any Mini-ITX case. Don't be put off by the "Atom" branding. The C2750 was no slouch for its heyday.

deckard1 5y ago
I'd probably go with SuperMicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F. It already has 10GbE. Xeon D-1521 2x 10GbE ports onboard 6x SATA3 ports Accepts ECC RDIMM DDR4 (usually cheaper than UDIMM ECC) 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 1x M.2 slot There is one on ebay right now for $230 USD shipped. Also, if you're going for lower power consumption I believe you can disable the IPMI and the 2nd 10GbE port if you don't need it. There are other ways to reduce consumption too. Turn off anything you can on the motherboard that you don't use and use higher density DIMM sticks (and less of them, if you can, e.g. 1x16GB rather than 2x8GB). Also worth paying attention to the PSU's efficiency curve and making sure your PSU is decent quality (reliable + 80+ gold).
- tyingq 5y ago
  >There is one on ebay right now for $230 USD shipped. Ah, yeah, that's a better deal with the 2x onboard 10Gbe.
- eqvinox 5y ago
  The cheap ones (including the one you mentioned) are useless because they have 10Gbase-T. You need SFP+ slots to hook up your provider's fiber. Which is kinda sad too because implementing 10Gbase-T is more expensive to implement and more expensive to run (because the 10Gb-T PHY burns power.) Sadly, there's not enough knowledge about this going around.
  - deckard1 5y ago
    yes, well you can get a cheap transceiver for that. You're still going to have to talk to something else and that all goes out the window if you have existing copper in your house or need to have wired devices (NAS, smart TV, xbox, literally anything at all). You probably can't even find a wifi AP that has SFP+ that doesn't cost you 3 arms and 5 legs.
    - eqvinox 5y ago
      > yes, well you can get a cheap transceiver for that. Yes, exactly. I feel like you haven't finished your thought ;) If you have a SFP+ slot, you can plug in a cheap SFP+ 10Gbase-T transceiver. Or a SFP+ fiber transceiver. Or a DAC cable. If you have a 10Gbase-T port, you're stuck and need to buy and power a switch (or, recently, media converter) to get to anything else. And you're now wasting power for 2 10Gbase-T PHYs that are completely pointless for a very short link. Of course you'll be using a bunch of 10Gbase-T for anything where you have existing copper runs that are good enough quality to actually run 10Gbase-T. I'm just saying (1) you shouldn't be using 10Gb-T for cabling things that are next to each other, and (2) you shouldn't be running copper cabling for new installations that you're building explicitly to get 10G over.

smolder 5y ago

I would look at getting a Xeon-D board. They don't draw much, come in mini ITX, and mine have 2x10GbE plus 2x1GbE built in, for a price that's reasonable when you look at standalone NIC costs. The CPU is soldered on, so the cost includes that, too.

traspler 5y ago

I'd love to get something simple that could handle a 10Gbit fiber7 connection and act as a 10Gbit Router & Switch in my home. My skills and patience in this area are a bit limited so going as deep as Michael is not something I could do with confidence. Narrowing down the hardware to something that is not only powerful enough, cheap enough, compatible with something like OPNsense and available to normal humans has kind of scared me off a bit.