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> I really don't know what nafarious thing people imagine is really occuring. Unregulated anticheat software retaining user clipboard contents, sending/uploadi

by ev1 5y ago

> I really don't know what nafarious thing people imagine is really occuring. Unregulated anticheat software retaining user clipboard contents, sending/uploading arbitrary files, all window titles, all processes and computer and username, and any other IPs on LAN and ARP cache, sending in plaintext across country borders, ignoring GDPR/CCPA/etc.

LordOfWolves 5y ago
In the meantime, most users with that anticheat software installed presume that it is simply looking out for them, in terms of eliminating cheaters in __ video game, and could not possibly be doing the nefarious things you mention. Yet, all of us working in software know this is not a far stretch, given the application is already designed to gather information about the environment surrounding the running game. We have a long way to go with software, put simply..
- freeone3000 5y ago
  This isn't a stretch, this is actually what anticheat software does. The valorant one also uploads driver listings and driver contents!
  - ev1 5y ago
    Pretty much this. I've worked in the field. If you do development work, drivers, and/or have installed certificates or root CAs that are "rare" or not installed on a large majority of machines, they absolutely WILL be uploaded. If you are detected to be a reverse engineer based on running processes or otherwise, even if it has nothing to do with the game, expect significantly more surveillance too, up to and including literal streaming shellcode running from the server at the highest privilege level at any time, none of which you can control.
Negitivefrags 5y ago
I'm not going to argue that some anti-cheats don't do those things, some do. But are you actually suggesting that the games are keeping data from this activity and using it some bad way? You kind of dodged the actual part where something evil actually happens.

by ev1 5y ago

LordOfWolves 5y ago

In the meantime, most users with that anticheat software installed presume that it is simply looking out for them, in terms of eliminating cheaters in __ video game, and could not possibly be doing the nefarious things you mention. Yet, all of us working in software know this is not a far stretch, given the application is already designed to gather information about the environment surrounding the running game. We have a long way to go with software, put simply..

freeone3000 5y ago
This isn't a stretch, this is actually what anticheat software does. The valorant one also uploads driver listings and driver contents!
- ev1 5y ago
  Pretty much this. I've worked in the field. If you do development work, drivers, and/or have installed certificates or root CAs that are "rare" or not installed on a large majority of machines, they absolutely WILL be uploaded. If you are detected to be a reverse engineer based on running processes or otherwise, even if it has nothing to do with the game, expect significantly more surveillance too, up to and including literal streaming shellcode running from the server at the highest privilege level at any time, none of which you can control.

Negitivefrags 5y ago

I'm not going to argue that some anti-cheats don't do those things, some do. But are you actually suggesting that the games are keeping data from this activity and using it some bad way? You kind of dodged the actual part where something evil actually happens.