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If video games or art or movies are depicting the appropriate scenarios, such as a scene involving army medics, wouldn't that be a constructive use of the symbo

If video games or art or movies are depicting the appropriate scenarios, such as a scene involving army medics, wouldn't that be a constructive use of the symbol? It would spread awareness and education. A green cross would confuse people.

bingidingi 5y ago
A green cross would confuse no one. It's already used all over the world. You've probably seen it and the color hasn't even crossed your mind.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  In my limited experience it’s more of a southern European symbol. For example in the US I’d associate it with cannabis.
  - bingidingi 5y ago
    Well, I suppose with healthcare the way it is in the US... maybe smoking cannabis before going to a hospital is a good idea.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    Definitely a thing in Finland, which is not in southern Europe. https://www.apteekki.fi/ https://www.apteekki.fi/
- threatofrain 5y ago
  It's already associated with weed and pharmacies. The trademark is also already registered in some major countries. Where do you get this confidence that there's no confusion with the green cross?
  - bingidingi 5y ago
    >Where do you get this confidence that there's no confusion with the green cross? The continents of Europe, Africa, Australia... I've also seen it used in China but I'm not as familiar with Asia because I haven't lived there. I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      People have already replied to you to let you know that various major European countries use the green cross to refer to a generic pharmacy. You already acknowledge this elsewhere, and you've also already acknowledged that there's special meaning to the red cross as opposed to merely referring to pharmacies. I don't know what you're doing excluding Asia or the USA either, while saying > A green cross would confuse no one. And then following up with > I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things.
      - bingidingi 5y ago
        Using the green cross for a pharmacy supports the suggested use as a generic symbol for health... I didn't exclude Asia, I stated that my experience there is more limited than the continents I listed. The US isn't a reliable authority on any international standards. If you started up a new video game and the health packs had green crosses instead of red ones, would you be confused?
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    - pugworthy 5y ago
      > I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things. That is uncalled for.
      - bingidingi 5y ago
        It's objectively true. The US ignores many widely accepted international standards, and in multiple cases stands alone in doing so. It's not the defacto world view and shouldn't be treated as such.
tyingq 5y ago
That's where I'm confused. I see the issue with products appropriating it as a sort of brand hijacking...like the example of a first aid kit with a red cross. But tv, movies, games, etc, just showing an accurate representation of real life, within the media itself seems...normal. I think if they have to, the least confusing thing would be a red square with a white cross inside it. That's what a lot of first aid kits seem to do. Though perhaps the Swiss wouldn't be thrilled. Maybe a white cross in a red circle?
- ben0x539 5y ago
  I don't think games are very good about doing an accurate representation there. They mostly seem to slap a red cross on anything "healing" related, like not-non-combatant military medics (Starcraft medics and medivacs come to mind, which the game specifically expects you to fire at).
  - mcguire 5y ago
    Holy shit. They're medics, they're showing a red cross, and you're supposed to shoot at them. (https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Medic https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Medic) Oy.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  > an accurate representation of real life In real life, the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international organization well-known for their neutrality in armed conflict. Portraying it as just meaning 'healing' takes away from the power of that neutrality.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    >the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international It's not though. Lots of military ambulances, from many countries, not associated with the Red Cross, have a red cross on them. One example, there are many more: https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&t...
crooked-v 5y ago
> such as a scene involving army medics This is actually a completely inappropriate scenario. The point of the Red Cross symbol is that it indicates an internationally neutral organization that is very specifically not associated with any country.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  That's not true and the OP covers this point.
sofixa 5y ago
You hit the nail on the head! Army medics != Red cross, and that's a big difference. If a red cross is taken to mean just army medics, they might be considered to be "just" the enemy's medics, a "legitimate" target for some, unlike the Red Cross who are neutral and help everyone.
- mcguire 5y ago
  Ah, ectually, it's specifically for the IRC and military medics. https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2018-09/M997A3-Humvee-ground-ambulance-1800.jpg?itok=Meh-es0k https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/ful...
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  This is not true.

bingidingi 5y ago

A green cross would confuse no one. It's already used all over the world. You've probably seen it and the color hasn't even crossed your mind.

jdavis703 5y ago
In my limited experience it’s more of a southern European symbol. For example in the US I’d associate it with cannabis.
- bingidingi 5y ago
  Well, I suppose with healthcare the way it is in the US... maybe smoking cannabis before going to a hospital is a good idea.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  Definitely a thing in Finland, which is not in southern Europe. https://www.apteekki.fi/ https://www.apteekki.fi/
threatofrain 5y ago
It's already associated with weed and pharmacies. The trademark is also already registered in some major countries. Where do you get this confidence that there's no confusion with the green cross?
- bingidingi 5y ago
  >Where do you get this confidence that there's no confusion with the green cross? The continents of Europe, Africa, Australia... I've also seen it used in China but I'm not as familiar with Asia because I haven't lived there. I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    People have already replied to you to let you know that various major European countries use the green cross to refer to a generic pharmacy. You already acknowledge this elsewhere, and you've also already acknowledged that there's special meaning to the red cross as opposed to merely referring to pharmacies. I don't know what you're doing excluding Asia or the USA either, while saying > A green cross would confuse no one. And then following up with > I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things.
    - bingidingi 5y ago
      Using the green cross for a pharmacy supports the suggested use as a generic symbol for health... I didn't exclude Asia, I stated that my experience there is more limited than the continents I listed. The US isn't a reliable authority on any international standards. If you started up a new video game and the health packs had green crosses instead of red ones, would you be confused?
      - deleted 5y ago
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  - pugworthy 5y ago
    > I'm sorry, but if your only example is the US then you're likely to be wrong about a lot of things. That is uncalled for.
    - bingidingi 5y ago
      It's objectively true. The US ignores many widely accepted international standards, and in multiple cases stands alone in doing so. It's not the defacto world view and shouldn't be treated as such.

tyingq 5y ago

That's where I'm confused. I see the issue with products appropriating it as a sort of brand hijacking...like the example of a first aid kit with a red cross. But tv, movies, games, etc, just showing an accurate representation of real life, within the media itself seems...normal. I think if they have to, the least confusing thing would be a red square with a white cross inside it. That's what a lot of first aid kits seem to do. Though perhaps the Swiss wouldn't be thrilled. Maybe a white cross in a red circle?

ben0x539 5y ago
I don't think games are very good about doing an accurate representation there. They mostly seem to slap a red cross on anything "healing" related, like not-non-combatant military medics (Starcraft medics and medivacs come to mind, which the game specifically expects you to fire at).
- mcguire 5y ago
  Holy shit. They're medics, they're showing a red cross, and you're supposed to shoot at them. (https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Medic https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Medic) Oy.
crooked-v 5y ago
> an accurate representation of real life In real life, the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international organization well-known for their neutrality in armed conflict. Portraying it as just meaning 'healing' takes away from the power of that neutrality.
- tyingq 5y ago
  >the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international It's not though. Lots of military ambulances, from many countries, not associated with the Red Cross, have a red cross on them. One example, there are many more: https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&t...

crooked-v 5y ago

> such as a scene involving army medics This is actually a completely inappropriate scenario. The point of the Red Cross symbol is that it indicates an internationally neutral organization that is very specifically not associated with any country.

alisonkisk 5y ago
That's not true and the OP covers this point.

sofixa 5y ago

You hit the nail on the head! Army medics != Red cross, and that's a big difference. If a red cross is taken to mean just army medics, they might be considered to be "just" the enemy's medics, a "legitimate" target for some, unlike the Red Cross who are neutral and help everyone.

mcguire 5y ago
Ah, ectually, it's specifically for the IRC and military medics. https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2018-09/M997A3-Humvee-ground-ambulance-1800.jpg?itok=Meh-es0k https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/ful...
alisonkisk 5y ago
This is not true.