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French Senate considers mandatory Covid vaccines for adults aged 24-59

8 points by tu7001 5y ago

Bostonian 5y ago
What will be the penalty for not being vaccinated? My children and I are vaccinated, but I think coercion is likely to increase unfounded fears about covid vaccines.
deaddabe 5y ago
To my current knowledge, this possible "mandatory vaccine" policy has not been mentioned on local French TV or media. I think it would just reenforce the antivaccine people in their convictions that prevents them from getting vaccinated in the first place. Another option that was explained in public media is to enforce the "vaccination pass" for meeting in public spaces, like in cinema and restaurants, where you can currently go without any certificate. The idea is that people will want to get vaccinated to go to the restaurant and see movies. Maybe people will just simply not go there anymore (they got used to it) and invite their (unvaccinated) friends at their places instead. From my siblings, I distinguish two kinds of people that did not get their first shot: (1) Did not took the time to reserve a slot and get vaccinated because <reasons>, but wants to be vaccinated at some point; and (2) Actively does not want to be vaccinated because <reasons>. For (1) the summer vacations may be a reason that people are delaying their first shot, they will probably deal with it after summer. The mandatory vaccination pass for accessing public spaces may force them to act upon earlier. For (2) I am not sure mandatory vaccines will get public approval at all. Yellow vests almost blocked the country for a tax increase on gas. I feel like the same kind of people will get pretty upset about vaccine enforcement, and will be creative in protests somehow.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  Here's an article about it published on the same day as this RT article, a week ago: https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/france/vers-une-quatri%C3%A8me-vague-des-s%C3%A9nateurs-pr%C3%A9conisent-la-vaccination-obligatoire-pour-les-24-59-ans/ar-AALGPOm https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/france/vers-une-quatri%C... It references the same senate report. Also France24 covered it: https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210705-french-government-considers-mandatory-vaccines-for-health-workers https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210705-french-government...
MilnerRoute 5y ago
Searching Google News for this subject finds it was mentioned only once...in the submitted article from Russia Today. (Which was published over a week ago.) https://www.google.com/search?q=French+Senate+considers+mandatory+Covid+vaccines+for+adults+aged+24-59&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1sYbFhdfxAhVRj54KHTKxAgIQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1097&bih=541&dpr=1.75 https://www.google.com/search?q=French+Senate+considers+mand...
errantmind 5y ago
Mandatory vaccines will not convince people to get vaccinated. It will, however, make people even more suspicious and reluctant. The only way to convince the unvaccinated is by taking their concerns seriously, which is broadly not being done. Instead, people have coopted the issue into their personal political struggle and labeled all skeptics as mentally deficient. As the lines have been drawn, I predict the US, among many other countries, will never approach herd immunity, no matter how bad the variants are. Let this be a lesson for the future.

8 points by tu7001 5y ago

What will be the penalty for not being vaccinated? My children and I are vaccinated, but I think coercion is likely to increase unfounded fears about covid vaccines.

deaddabe 5y ago

To my current knowledge, this possible "mandatory vaccine" policy has not been mentioned on local French TV or media. I think it would just reenforce the antivaccine people in their convictions that prevents them from getting vaccinated in the first place. Another option that was explained in public media is to enforce the "vaccination pass" for meeting in public spaces, like in cinema and restaurants, where you can currently go without any certificate. The idea is that people will want to get vaccinated to go to the restaurant and see movies. Maybe people will just simply not go there anymore (they got used to it) and invite their (unvaccinated) friends at their places instead. From my siblings, I distinguish two kinds of people that did not get their first shot: (1) Did not took the time to reserve a slot and get vaccinated because <reasons>, but wants to be vaccinated at some point; and (2) Actively does not want to be vaccinated because <reasons>. For (1) the summer vacations may be a reason that people are delaying their first shot, they will probably deal with it after summer. The mandatory vaccination pass for accessing public spaces may force them to act upon earlier. For (2) I am not sure mandatory vaccines will get public approval at all. Yellow vests almost blocked the country for a tax increase on gas. I feel like the same kind of people will get pretty upset about vaccine enforcement, and will be creative in protests somehow.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Here's an article about it published on the same day as this RT article, a week ago: https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/france/vers-une-quatri%C3%A8me-vague-des-s%C3%A9nateurs-pr%C3%A9conisent-la-vaccination-obligatoire-pour-les-24-59-ans/ar-AALGPOm https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/france/vers-une-quatri%C... It references the same senate report. Also France24 covered it: https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210705-french-government-considers-mandatory-vaccines-for-health-workers https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210705-french-government...

MilnerRoute 5y ago

Searching Google News for this subject finds it was mentioned only once...in the submitted article from Russia Today. (Which was published over a week ago.) https://www.google.com/search?q=French+Senate+considers+mandatory+Covid+vaccines+for+adults+aged+24-59&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1sYbFhdfxAhVRj54KHTKxAgIQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1097&bih=541&dpr=1.75 https://www.google.com/search?q=French+Senate+considers+mand...

errantmind 5y ago

Mandatory vaccines will not convince people to get vaccinated. It will, however, make people even more suspicious and reluctant. The only way to convince the unvaccinated is by taking their concerns seriously, which is broadly not being done. Instead, people have coopted the issue into their personal political struggle and labeled all skeptics as mentally deficient. As the lines have been drawn, I predict the US, among many other countries, will never approach herd immunity, no matter how bad the variants are. Let this be a lesson for the future.