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Well they provided the environment for you to think, but that gives them the right to own your thoughts? It's possible, and even common in universities for the
by tehjoker 5y ago
Well they provided the environment for you to think, but that gives them the right to own your thoughts? It's possible, and even common in universities for the organization to have the right to use but not own your discoveries. If that makes a business non-viable, it's really not our problem.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoIf I pay you to invent something, and you invent it, I expect to get it. I'm not paying you for the privilege of inviting you to my office. I'm paying you for the output of specific thoughts you have.
- tehjoker 5y agoIt's cool I get to repost this twice in a row: "Very cool and healthy that people on this website instinctively imagine themselves as the boss of random commenters on a website."
- spywaregorilla 5y agoCute, but just a weak sort of ad hom deflection. But while you're down there go clean the toilets.
- mutatio 5y agoWhere do you draw the line, is the context as generic as "AI" or "ML", implying that anything AI related, even if not directly comparable to your employers product is owned by the employer?
- spywaregorilla 5y agoI mean I would personally say it's anything directly in the employer's lines of business with a fairly limited scope. But as personal advice I wouldn't recommend others to do anything with AI on the side, with the intention to own it, if they work in AI as a career.
- mutatio 5y agoI find your last sentence troubling, all the cost is on the individual. I agree with the sentiment of the first sentence, if we simply say the blast radius is the the product(s) level you're working on.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoIt is. Employer reach is too far. And yet, having some reach is still very reasonable.
- seoaeu 5y ago> all the cost is on the individual And all the salary too. I really don't see the issue.
- mimixco 5y agoThis is incorrect both de facto and de jure. Anything you invent while employed at a university or a company like IBM or Microsoft will belong to them forever, without exception. The cardinal rule is that, if you do not want your invention to belong to your employer, don't work for them. All of the sour grapes about these arrangements are indictments of working for someone else, and I wholeheartedly agree! If you have the least bit of cojones, make something people want and sell it yourself. But, if you prefer the golden yoke, the owner of the farm gets all the fruits.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoThat can be the case, but depends on circumstances. The point I was making is likely to hold up in court even without a specific contract clause in place to address it.