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I have a friend with a sewage pumping business. He pays his drivers $40,000+ per year (high school education not required) and is a millionaire himself. There i

I have a friend with a sewage pumping business. He pays his drivers $40,000+ per year (high school education not required) and is a millionaire himself. There is money in handling 'issues' that other people don't want to handle.

roel_v 15y ago
Being a business owner and having multiple people working for you != 'being a plumber'. 40k is about half of the US median programmer salary.
- protomyth 15y ago
  where did you get your figure for US median programmer salary?
  - roel_v 15y ago
    Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos303.htm http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos303.htm . "In May 2008, median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer applications software engineers were $85,430. The middle 50 percent earned between $67,790 and $104,870. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $53,720, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $128,870." On the other hand, from that same page: "Median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $69,620 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $52,640 and $89,720 a year. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $40,080, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $111,450. " and "In May 2008, median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $92,430. The middle 50 percent earned between $73,200 and $113,960. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $57,810, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $135,780." So they make a strong distinction between "programmers" and "software engineers". I guess there's a definition in there somewhere, I didn't read it that closely (which is why I initially took the 85k as 'overall' median).
    - protomyth 15y ago
      wow - good find, they actually have a few more classifications lower on the page (developers). I wonder what the difference between responses of the workers versus management under what category they find themselves. They make it equally difficult to figure the plumber and other vocational professions. The initial pages seems to bunch a varying groups together. ick defs: Computer software engineers design and develop software omputer programmers write programs. After computer software engineers and systems analysts design software programs, the programmer converts that design into a logical series of instructions that the computer can follow (A section on computer systems analysts appears elsewhere in the Handbook.)

roel_v 15y ago

Being a business owner and having multiple people working for you != 'being a plumber'. 40k is about half of the US median programmer salary.

protomyth 15y ago
where did you get your figure for US median programmer salary?
- roel_v 15y ago
  Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos303.htm http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos303.htm . "In May 2008, median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer applications software engineers were $85,430. The middle 50 percent earned between $67,790 and $104,870. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $53,720, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $128,870." On the other hand, from that same page: "Median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $69,620 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $52,640 and $89,720 a year. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $40,080, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $111,450. " and "In May 2008, median annual wages of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $92,430. The middle 50 percent earned between $73,200 and $113,960. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $57,810, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $135,780." So they make a strong distinction between "programmers" and "software engineers". I guess there's a definition in there somewhere, I didn't read it that closely (which is why I initially took the 85k as 'overall' median).
  - protomyth 15y ago
    wow - good find, they actually have a few more classifications lower on the page (developers). I wonder what the difference between responses of the workers versus management under what category they find themselves. They make it equally difficult to figure the plumber and other vocational professions. The initial pages seems to bunch a varying groups together. ick defs: Computer software engineers design and develop software omputer programmers write programs. After computer software engineers and systems analysts design software programs, the programmer converts that design into a logical series of instructions that the computer can follow (A section on computer systems analysts appears elsewhere in the Handbook.)