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PHP would be the best web framework PHP is not a web framework like Django, it's a language like Python.There are however, many good Django like PHP frameworks

by asnyder 15y ago

PHP would be the best web framework PHP is not a web framework like Django, it's a language like Python.There are however, many good Django like PHP frameworks. Just wanted to clarify.

andybak 15y ago
Partly a slip of the keyboard. But PHP is language + web-oriented 'libraries' (actually built-ins) so the it's a blurry distinction.
- KnightWhoSaysNi 15y ago
  In the context discussed in this thread, "framework" means code that includes MVC, URL routing, and often an ORM. PHP in itself doesn't offer that; you need a framework such as CodeIgniter or Zend Framework on top. So no, PHP isn't a "framework" in itself (at least not in the way that Django is).
seanp2k 15y ago
Why did this get downvoted? This guy is 100% correct and not being offensive. WTF, HN? See: post today about downvotes.
Terretta 15y ago
Having been writing web interactivity since before PHP, I'd disagree with you that PHP "is a language like Python". Look at how it started, as personal home page template processing scripts in Perl, and you'll see it started with much more in common with a templating tool or web framework than with a formal language. "PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'. As more functionality was required, Rasmus wrote a much larger C implementation, which was able to communicate with databases, and enabled users to develop simple dynamic Web applications..." "PHP/FI, which stood for Personal Home Page / Forms Interpreter, included some of the basic functionality of PHP as we know it today. It had Perl-like variables, automatic interpretation of form variables and HTML embedded syntax." http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php
- KnightWhoSaysNi 15y ago
  First of all, how it started isn't as important as where it is now. And what we have now is a full-fledged programming language. Secondly, if you can build large-scale maintainable websites with PHP, who cares how the language got started originally. It's all about what you can do with the language - and in that regard PHP is a great tool (although certainly not the only tool available).
  - Terretta 15y ago
    "I don't know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way." -- Rasmussen Lerdorf, inventor of PHP But to your point, he also said: "I've never thought of PHP as more than a simple tool to solve problems." http://twitter.com/#!/rasmus/status/1938080214814720 http://twitter.com/#!/rasmus/status/1938080214814720

by asnyder 15y ago

PHP would be the best web framework PHP is not a web framework like Django, it's a language like Python.There are however, many good Django like PHP frameworks. Just wanted to clarify.

andybak 15y ago

Partly a slip of the keyboard. But PHP is language + web-oriented 'libraries' (actually built-ins) so the it's a blurry distinction.

KnightWhoSaysNi 15y ago
In the context discussed in this thread, "framework" means code that includes MVC, URL routing, and often an ORM. PHP in itself doesn't offer that; you need a framework such as CodeIgniter or Zend Framework on top. So no, PHP isn't a "framework" in itself (at least not in the way that Django is).

seanp2k 15y ago

Why did this get downvoted? This guy is 100% correct and not being offensive. WTF, HN? See: post today about downvotes.

Terretta 15y ago

Having been writing web interactivity since before PHP, I'd disagree with you that PHP "is a language like Python". Look at how it started, as personal home page template processing scripts in Perl, and you'll see it started with much more in common with a templating tool or web framework than with a formal language. "PHP/FI was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, initially as a simple set of Perl scripts for tracking accesses to his online resume. He named this set of scripts 'Personal Home Page Tools'. As more functionality was required, Rasmus wrote a much larger C implementation, which was able to communicate with databases, and enabled users to develop simple dynamic Web applications..." "PHP/FI, which stood for Personal Home Page / Forms Interpreter, included some of the basic functionality of PHP as we know it today. It had Perl-like variables, automatic interpretation of form variables and HTML embedded syntax." http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php

KnightWhoSaysNi 15y ago
First of all, how it started isn't as important as where it is now. And what we have now is a full-fledged programming language. Secondly, if you can build large-scale maintainable websites with PHP, who cares how the language got started originally. It's all about what you can do with the language - and in that regard PHP is a great tool (although certainly not the only tool available).
- Terretta 15y ago
  "I don't know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way." -- Rasmussen Lerdorf, inventor of PHP But to your point, he also said: "I've never thought of PHP as more than a simple tool to solve problems." http://twitter.com/#!/rasmus/status/1938080214814720 http://twitter.com/#!/rasmus/status/1938080214814720