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> Honestly I don't think I can fault students who cheated during the pandemic, it was just so abnormal that most people did whatever they had to to cope. Cheat

> Honestly I don't think I can fault students who cheated during the pandemic, it was just so abnormal that most people did whatever they had to to cope. Cheating is never OK. Look what that lead to. A few bad apples ruined it for the other students. People have to learn, that their behavior in such a setting does not only affect themselves. In this case it very negatively impacted everyone studying with them.

gopher_space 5y ago
Why are we constantly surprised when people focus on the only metrics they're judged by?
johnnyanmac 5y ago
>People have to learn, that their behavior in such a setting does not only affect themselves at some point it's like defensive driving. Sure, they are at fault and an idiot, but for the sake of your own safety you shouldn't "stick to your morals" or just "hope they get theirs". Look out for yourself, because for some people that's the only person that will do it. With that lens, yes. I don't blame people who need to do what they do for one day in some artificial environment so they aren't impacted in their transition to real world work where they are otherwise moral.
908B64B197 5y ago
> People have to learn, that their behavior in such a setting does not only affect themselves. In this case it very negatively impacted everyone studying with them. Except, for many competitive positions, that's a zero-sum game.
- zelphirkalt 5y ago
  Unfortunately you are right and it probably means, that for many competitive positions the process of evaluation is not a good one.
majjgepolja 5y ago
It's a grey area. In india, the engineering curriculum includes lot of subjects that are not useful for the students but only there because some fat belly officer thought it would be "Interdisciplinary". Can you imagine teaching biology as a subject for engineers? waste of money and not what we have come to learn, or interested in. But colleges in India do that. Cheating in such subjects is fair.
- bigcorp-slave 5y ago
  It’s not a grey area, it devalues the degree for everyone and betrays you as a fundamentally dishonest and low value person.
  - majjgepolja 5y ago
    Those subjects are not there for any meaningful purpose. Imagine having a CS degree program and teaching chemistry, physics, biology and a bunch of even lesser subjects is blatant and ignorant waste of students' money.
    - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
      Tell me you’re an SDE1 without telling me you’re an SDE1

gopher_space 5y ago

Why are we constantly surprised when people focus on the only metrics they're judged by?

johnnyanmac 5y ago

>People have to learn, that their behavior in such a setting does not only affect themselves at some point it's like defensive driving. Sure, they are at fault and an idiot, but for the sake of your own safety you shouldn't "stick to your morals" or just "hope they get theirs". Look out for yourself, because for some people that's the only person that will do it. With that lens, yes. I don't blame people who need to do what they do for one day in some artificial environment so they aren't impacted in their transition to real world work where they are otherwise moral.

908B64B197 5y ago

> People have to learn, that their behavior in such a setting does not only affect themselves. In this case it very negatively impacted everyone studying with them. Except, for many competitive positions, that's a zero-sum game.

zelphirkalt 5y ago
Unfortunately you are right and it probably means, that for many competitive positions the process of evaluation is not a good one.

majjgepolja 5y ago

It's a grey area. In india, the engineering curriculum includes lot of subjects that are not useful for the students but only there because some fat belly officer thought it would be "Interdisciplinary". Can you imagine teaching biology as a subject for engineers? waste of money and not what we have come to learn, or interested in. But colleges in India do that. Cheating in such subjects is fair.

bigcorp-slave 5y ago
It’s not a grey area, it devalues the degree for everyone and betrays you as a fundamentally dishonest and low value person.
- majjgepolja 5y ago
  Those subjects are not there for any meaningful purpose. Imagine having a CS degree program and teaching chemistry, physics, biology and a bunch of even lesser subjects is blatant and ignorant waste of students' money.
  - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
    Tell me you’re an SDE1 without telling me you’re an SDE1