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The price is poor and the performance is worse(compared to anything with a GPU). Reliability is questionable given the numerous hardware issues Apple denied ove

The price is poor and the performance is worse(compared to anything with a GPU). Reliability is questionable given the numerous hardware issues Apple denied over the years. And I'm shocked you thought to mention Ports. I've been at parties where someone couldn't present a PowerPoint because of the ports on the Air.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
They started at $900, had 2 USB 3.0 ports, a headphone jack, an SD card slot, and a thunderbolt 2 port for many years. Again, note the nuance in my statement that it serves the purpose for the vast majority of laptop users and its amortized cost over many years is certainly less than other consumer laptops, as evidenced by the used market. Nowadays, they are $1k, and they have Retina screen, 2 USB4/Thunderbolt3 ports. While the port situation may have worsened, its performance due to M1 is surely unmatched. Unless you are bothered by the port situation, it's still probably the best bet you can make for a laptop that will be a good to go for 5+ years.
- deregulateMed 5y ago
  Majority of laptop users won't need to hook up their computer to a TV? And M1 still is inferior to having a gpu.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    >Majority of laptop users won't need to hook up their computer to a TV? I would be very surprised if even 10% of people connect their laptops to TVs. For those that do, thunderbolt to hdmi adapters are cheap. > And M1 still is inferior to having a gpu. I am sure it is, but average person sees no utility from a GPU, but they do utilize long battery life and less heat from reduced energy usage of M1.
    - deregulateMed 5y ago
      Apple not good for power users. Got it. So why would a consumer who isn't a power user spend more money on less? Lighted logo?
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        They don’t have lighted logos, as far as I know. Mine doesn’t from a few years ago. I’ve already replied a bunch of times showing why I think the laptop is ideal for most people.
        deregulateMed 5y ago
        I can't imagine people paying 450$ more for a handicapped computer because battery life. Do 90% of people use a computer without it being plugged in? I can see 90% of people buying a logo. "I say 123 take your hand and come with me bc you look so fine that I really want to make you mine"
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Yes, I would easily bet the average person values not worrying about battery and heat. Coffee shops, lecture halls, airplanes, or even just around the house. It is amazingly liberating to almost never have to worry about charging it, and just be able to close the lid at a moments notice and not worry about Windows’ problems hibernating or standby or whatever. Look at the comments in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27784640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27784640 And it’s not $450 more for just that. It’s $450 more for a higher quality product with higher quality components that have a higher probability of lasting many years (based on the track record of MacBook Airs).
        deregulateMed 5y ago
        It's not higher quality. You just said so. Yikes.
        5y ago
kbelder 5y ago
>I've been at parties where someone couldn't present a PowerPoint because of the ports on the Air. You go to fun parties.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

They started at $900, had 2 USB 3.0 ports, a headphone jack, an SD card slot, and a thunderbolt 2 port for many years. Again, note the nuance in my statement that it serves the purpose for the vast majority of laptop users and its amortized cost over many years is certainly less than other consumer laptops, as evidenced by the used market. Nowadays, they are $1k, and they have Retina screen, 2 USB4/Thunderbolt3 ports. While the port situation may have worsened, its performance due to M1 is surely unmatched. Unless you are bothered by the port situation, it's still probably the best bet you can make for a laptop that will be a good to go for 5+ years.

deregulateMed 5y ago
Majority of laptop users won't need to hook up their computer to a TV? And M1 still is inferior to having a gpu.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  >Majority of laptop users won't need to hook up their computer to a TV? I would be very surprised if even 10% of people connect their laptops to TVs. For those that do, thunderbolt to hdmi adapters are cheap. > And M1 still is inferior to having a gpu. I am sure it is, but average person sees no utility from a GPU, but they do utilize long battery life and less heat from reduced energy usage of M1.
  - deregulateMed 5y ago
    Apple not good for power users. Got it. So why would a consumer who isn't a power user spend more money on less? Lighted logo?
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      They don’t have lighted logos, as far as I know. Mine doesn’t from a few years ago. I’ve already replied a bunch of times showing why I think the laptop is ideal for most people.
      - deregulateMed 5y ago
        I can't imagine people paying 450$ more for a handicapped computer because battery life. Do 90% of people use a computer without it being plugged in? I can see 90% of people buying a logo. "I say 123 take your hand and come with me bc you look so fine that I really want to make you mine"
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Yes, I would easily bet the average person values not worrying about battery and heat. Coffee shops, lecture halls, airplanes, or even just around the house. It is amazingly liberating to almost never have to worry about charging it, and just be able to close the lid at a moments notice and not worry about Windows’ problems hibernating or standby or whatever. Look at the comments in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27784640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27784640 And it’s not $450 more for just that. It’s $450 more for a higher quality product with higher quality components that have a higher probability of lasting many years (based on the track record of MacBook Airs).
        deregulateMed 5y ago
        It's not higher quality. You just said so. Yikes.
        5y ago

kbelder 5y ago

>I've been at parties where someone couldn't present a PowerPoint because of the ports on the Air. You go to fun parties.