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> I know some student hate it because there is always a slacker in every group My experience is that there is sometimes somebody who is not a slacker, and it's

> I know some student hate it because there is always a slacker in every group My experience is that there is sometimes somebody who is not a slacker, and it's usually the only one doing the work for the entire group.

bluGill 5y ago
Everyone thinks they are that one person. It is hard to be objective when different people are doing different things.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  Nah, it's very easy to be objective when on a 5 pages homework, one write 5, and the others 0. Or if only one person has compiling code on their machine the day before the project. Of if only one person speak on the conf because the others don't have anything to say.
  - bluGill 5y ago
    I've never personally seen that. I've seen cases where one person writes four pages, and one writes one page claiming it was the hardest. I've seen cases where one person writes the code, and one writes the paper about the code. The only case I've seen where one person does all the work the person who does all the work refuses to allow the others to help.
mprovost 5y ago
That's why this is good training for the real world.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  As most things in school, it's an artificial situation that bears no resemblance to the real world. IRL: - people has much higher stakes, while in school tanking a class project is no big deal for most slackers. IRL, they can get excluded, isolated, shamed, fired and so on. - such group would exist rarely in the first place, because institutions filter people; - if you are in the rare situation it happens, you can get out of it, but you it's very hard to move in the school structure, not to mention out of it. Anecdotally, I've seen the scenario playing out many times in schools, but rarely in a restaurant, a dev team, a NGO or a sport club. There are productivity differences, sometimes immense, and an occasional slacker, but that's not the same order of magnitude at all.
  - majormajor 5y ago
    I've seen the same school-type dynamic play out in companies amongst people getting paid the sort of numbers that make folks on HN say "most people don't get that, not everybody works at a FAANG." We (as a species, really) are bad at interviewing lots of people that we don't already know well - just like we're bad at testing academically, surprise! - and we're also bad at coaching/firing/managing them.

bluGill 5y ago

Everyone thinks they are that one person. It is hard to be objective when different people are doing different things.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
Nah, it's very easy to be objective when on a 5 pages homework, one write 5, and the others 0. Or if only one person has compiling code on their machine the day before the project. Of if only one person speak on the conf because the others don't have anything to say.
- bluGill 5y ago
  I've never personally seen that. I've seen cases where one person writes four pages, and one writes one page claiming it was the hardest. I've seen cases where one person writes the code, and one writes the paper about the code. The only case I've seen where one person does all the work the person who does all the work refuses to allow the others to help.

mprovost 5y ago

That's why this is good training for the real world.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
As most things in school, it's an artificial situation that bears no resemblance to the real world. IRL: - people has much higher stakes, while in school tanking a class project is no big deal for most slackers. IRL, they can get excluded, isolated, shamed, fired and so on. - such group would exist rarely in the first place, because institutions filter people; - if you are in the rare situation it happens, you can get out of it, but you it's very hard to move in the school structure, not to mention out of it. Anecdotally, I've seen the scenario playing out many times in schools, but rarely in a restaurant, a dev team, a NGO or a sport club. There are productivity differences, sometimes immense, and an occasional slacker, but that's not the same order of magnitude at all.
- majormajor 5y ago
  I've seen the same school-type dynamic play out in companies amongst people getting paid the sort of numbers that make folks on HN say "most people don't get that, not everybody works at a FAANG." We (as a species, really) are bad at interviewing lots of people that we don't already know well - just like we're bad at testing academically, surprise! - and we're also bad at coaching/firing/managing them.