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> If we predict that ultimately AI will change virtually every aspect of society, these companies will become omnipresent, "everything companies". God companies

by abiro 5y ago

> If we predict that ultimately AI will change virtually every aspect of society, these companies will become omnipresent, "everything companies". God companies. What we currently call AI is very from AGI, and it's not clear that sitting on piles of proprietary data gives an edge towards AGI. If the goal is human-level intelligence, that has been demonstrably achieved with the far lesser resources of the public school system. :) Current DL systems need huge amount of data, because they are very primitive: they work with immediate associations, so they require seeing data very similar to all possible inputs to generalize well. As we develop more sophisticated systems, I expect that the leverage from data will tip over to engineering finesse, and nothing is better at fostering great engineering than the permissionless tinkering environment of open source.

visarga 5y ago
> If the goal is human level intelligence, that has been demonstrably achieved with the far lesser resources of the public school system. Seems unlikely human education costs less than AI education in total.
SirensOfTitan 5y ago
> If the goal is human-level intelligence, that has been demonstrably achieved with the far lesser resources of the public school system. Pretending that the scientifically managed public school system, that attempts to manufacture uniform educated humans on a conveyer belt, is responsible for human education is fairly ridiculous. Children have a remarkable capacity to learn, and do so automatically through free play and exploration until public education wrings that curiosity out of them and turns education into a job. Humans get educated despite the public education system, not because of it.
- guythedudebro 5y ago
  Yeah everyone knows children will innately learn calculus from flinging mud at eachother.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Pretending that the scientifically managed public school system, Say what now? There may be places on Earth that practice scientific management, there are definitely some that pretend to, but IME public school systems are neither.
  - SirensOfTitan 5y ago
    Schools (at least American public schools) are one of the last bastions of Taylorism in the west. They treat students like uniform widgets on an assembly line. You can read for yourself: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED566616.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED566616.pdf https://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue3_2/rees.html https://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue3_2/rees.html
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      “Treating X as uniform widgets” (where X are not uniform widgets) and “scientific management” are not only not the same thing, they are anticorrelated.

by abiro 5y ago

visarga 5y ago

> If the goal is human level intelligence, that has been demonstrably achieved with the far lesser resources of the public school system. Seems unlikely human education costs less than AI education in total.

SirensOfTitan 5y ago

> If the goal is human-level intelligence, that has been demonstrably achieved with the far lesser resources of the public school system. Pretending that the scientifically managed public school system, that attempts to manufacture uniform educated humans on a conveyer belt, is responsible for human education is fairly ridiculous. Children have a remarkable capacity to learn, and do so automatically through free play and exploration until public education wrings that curiosity out of them and turns education into a job. Humans get educated despite the public education system, not because of it.

guythedudebro 5y ago
Yeah everyone knows children will innately learn calculus from flinging mud at eachother.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Pretending that the scientifically managed public school system, Say what now? There may be places on Earth that practice scientific management, there are definitely some that pretend to, but IME public school systems are neither.
- SirensOfTitan 5y ago
  Schools (at least American public schools) are one of the last bastions of Taylorism in the west. They treat students like uniform widgets on an assembly line. You can read for yourself: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED566616.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED566616.pdf https://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue3_2/rees.html https://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue3_2/rees.html
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    “Treating X as uniform widgets” (where X are not uniform widgets) and “scientific management” are not only not the same thing, they are anticorrelated.