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Musk promised full self-driving cars by 2019.

adriancr 5y ago
And that is a problem because?, all marketing everywhere is over-promise and under-deliver. At least he delivered on most things he promised.
- melling 5y ago
  It creates a lot of noise when he says things. Even technical people buy into it. I’ve seen people on HN use the excuse “humans only use vision to drive”, reaffirming Musk. We’d like self-driving to be a solved problem in some form sooner rather than later. Millions are hurt or die in cars every year. It’s ok if we “cheat” with Lidar, etc Of course, we are ignoring the fact that people are paying extra for what they think will eventually give them self-driving.
- BlissWaves 5y ago
  https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350331/checking-in-on-all-the-promises-elon-musk-and-tesla-have-made/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350331/checking-in-on-a...
- serf 5y ago
  >And that is a problem because? this is a problem because it introduces the same kind of bait-and-switch anti-consumer behavior we see with the sale of pre-release games, but on an automotive investment level. "Buy this car and it'll have additional feature X in year Y. Don't listen to the non-believers, me and my team have this solved." "Woops! Turns out that was harder than I thought, sorry to all the folks that bought this car under the premise that they'd get feature X. Better luck next time, it wasn't contractual; just some over-promised under-deliveries, you understand! It's marketing to lie to your face!"
  - adriancr 5y ago
    > but on an automotive investment level. I think that ship has sailed a long time ago... especially after emissions scandal. Also, have you looked at marketing in general?, is anyone actually telling the truth anywhere? At least this was a promise that they'll do their best. > "Buy this car and it'll have additional feature X in year Y. Don't listen to the non-believers, me and my team have this solved." Does anybody buy 50K+ cars on promises?, especially since all reviews are very honest. For me, they're gimmicks... but the inner child in me seeing the celebration mode on model X makes me want to buy it. Then I research it and find it's actually a great car, sure, no full self driving, but for 10K on top of 150K+ the features added are great. Have a look: https://youtu.be/pXvIzWhEWvA?t=400 https://youtu.be/pXvIzWhEWvA?t=400
- kaba0 5y ago
  What did he deliver on? He is the definition of a marketing scam.

And that is a problem because?, all marketing everywhere is over-promise and under-deliver. At least he delivered on most things he promised.

melling 5y ago
It creates a lot of noise when he says things. Even technical people buy into it. I’ve seen people on HN use the excuse “humans only use vision to drive”, reaffirming Musk. We’d like self-driving to be a solved problem in some form sooner rather than later. Millions are hurt or die in cars every year. It’s ok if we “cheat” with Lidar, etc Of course, we are ignoring the fact that people are paying extra for what they think will eventually give them self-driving.
BlissWaves 5y ago
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350331/checking-in-on-all-the-promises-elon-musk-and-tesla-have-made/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350331/checking-in-on-a...
serf 5y ago
>And that is a problem because? this is a problem because it introduces the same kind of bait-and-switch anti-consumer behavior we see with the sale of pre-release games, but on an automotive investment level. "Buy this car and it'll have additional feature X in year Y. Don't listen to the non-believers, me and my team have this solved." "Woops! Turns out that was harder than I thought, sorry to all the folks that bought this car under the premise that they'd get feature X. Better luck next time, it wasn't contractual; just some over-promised under-deliveries, you understand! It's marketing to lie to your face!"
- adriancr 5y ago
  > but on an automotive investment level. I think that ship has sailed a long time ago... especially after emissions scandal. Also, have you looked at marketing in general?, is anyone actually telling the truth anywhere? At least this was a promise that they'll do their best. > "Buy this car and it'll have additional feature X in year Y. Don't listen to the non-believers, me and my team have this solved." Does anybody buy 50K+ cars on promises?, especially since all reviews are very honest. For me, they're gimmicks... but the inner child in me seeing the celebration mode on model X makes me want to buy it. Then I research it and find it's actually a great car, sure, no full self driving, but for 10K on top of 150K+ the features added are great. Have a look: https://youtu.be/pXvIzWhEWvA?t=400 https://youtu.be/pXvIzWhEWvA?t=400
kaba0 5y ago
What did he deliver on? He is the definition of a marketing scam.