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> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willin

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people? Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

ericd 15y ago
I think it's the feeling that someone is watching them. We know it's just computers, data, and statistics, but if you didn't understand that, I imagine it would be a bit scarier.
makmanalp 15y ago
First, everyone assumed that no one knew knew about anything they did on the net. They thought that when they looked at an oven mitt in an online store, only they knew about it. The truth was that information was just unused by the store, and so the user never saw it. Gradually, this notion became slowly dispelled when stores actually started leveraging this information to provide, for example, suggestions. It's all fine and good here. Finally came targeted ads. The part that people find terrifying is when the suggestions are "following them around!". This is creepy in multiple aspects: The first is that people don't quite understand how this happens (of course, we do). How is this information showing up in different websites? Did the store just let these other sites handle my information? In their eyes, the boundaries for who is allowed to my personal information seem to blur. This also breaks the paradigm of location that the user has in their mind. "If I don't go to site X that is, I won't see anything about site X." It looks like everyone knows everything. The second is that it's creepy-through-analogy. The fact that it's going wherever you're going and nagging you constantly is weird. When I walk into a retail store, I'm usually asked if I want any help, and I decline politely. If, however, the salesperson keeps approaching me and trying to sell me things that I don't want, I get the fuck out. With targeted ads, the average user can't do that! The creepy sales guy is following you out to the street and into your home. This usually ends in extreme frustration. Finally, there are also some nuances that targeted ads miss. Targeted adds are actually not that targeted, they're just there to grab at the "low hanging fruit" customers that are on the verge of making a decision. Just because I looked at a dildo once because I thought it was funny doesn't mean I want to be bombarded with the world's finest penis emulators for the next 3 days.
- bluekeybox 15y ago
  Thanks for taking time to respond. I agree on some points with you, disagree on others, but it's nice to get a long thought-out response!
- lotu 15y ago
  So use, ad block and/or incognito mode. Problem solved. And don't say that most people don't know how to use these features. While true anyone, who is concerned about this is totally free to ask other people or even pay them to explain and solve the problem for them. The fact that they don't suggests to me that they don't care. Most of the whining about privacy is more the poster being upset that not enough other people are concerned in the same way the poster is.
  - makmanalp 15y ago
    I'd like to point out that I came by the above insights after a conversation with my aunt (who is in her 40s), accompanied by a few other older relatives. I do actually care but those statements were not a reflection of my cares, it was of theirs. While this is not equivalent to a comprehensive study of average computer using people across the world, they sure as heck cared but didn't even begin to know where to start, in contrast to what you are hoping will happen.
- jackpirate 15y ago
  The "low hanging fruit" argument is fascinating. Is there any more information about this somewhere?

ericd 15y ago

I think it's the feeling that someone is watching them. We know it's just computers, data, and statistics, but if you didn't understand that, I imagine it would be a bit scarier.

makmanalp 15y ago

First, everyone assumed that no one knew knew about anything they did on the net. They thought that when they looked at an oven mitt in an online store, only they knew about it. The truth was that information was just unused by the store, and so the user never saw it. Gradually, this notion became slowly dispelled when stores actually started leveraging this information to provide, for example, suggestions. It's all fine and good here. Finally came targeted ads. The part that people find terrifying is when the suggestions are "following them around!". This is creepy in multiple aspects: The first is that people don't quite understand how this happens (of course, we do). How is this information showing up in different websites? Did the store just let these other sites handle my information? In their eyes, the boundaries for who is allowed to my personal information seem to blur. This also breaks the paradigm of location that the user has in their mind. "If I don't go to site X that is, I won't see anything about site X." It looks like everyone knows everything. The second is that it's creepy-through-analogy. The fact that it's going wherever you're going and nagging you constantly is weird. When I walk into a retail store, I'm usually asked if I want any help, and I decline politely. If, however, the salesperson keeps approaching me and trying to sell me things that I don't want, I get the fuck out. With targeted ads, the average user can't do that! The creepy sales guy is following you out to the street and into your home. This usually ends in extreme frustration. Finally, there are also some nuances that targeted ads miss. Targeted adds are actually not that targeted, they're just there to grab at the "low hanging fruit" customers that are on the verge of making a decision. Just because I looked at a dildo once because I thought it was funny doesn't mean I want to be bombarded with the world's finest penis emulators for the next 3 days.

bluekeybox 15y ago
Thanks for taking time to respond. I agree on some points with you, disagree on others, but it's nice to get a long thought-out response!
lotu 15y ago
So use, ad block and/or incognito mode. Problem solved. And don't say that most people don't know how to use these features. While true anyone, who is concerned about this is totally free to ask other people or even pay them to explain and solve the problem for them. The fact that they don't suggests to me that they don't care. Most of the whining about privacy is more the poster being upset that not enough other people are concerned in the same way the poster is.
- makmanalp 15y ago
  I'd like to point out that I came by the above insights after a conversation with my aunt (who is in her 40s), accompanied by a few other older relatives. I do actually care but those statements were not a reflection of my cares, it was of theirs. While this is not equivalent to a comprehensive study of average computer using people across the world, they sure as heck cared but didn't even begin to know where to start, in contrast to what you are hoping will happen.
jackpirate 15y ago
The "low hanging fruit" argument is fascinating. Is there any more information about this somewhere?