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The top people I met during my carrier always find ways to be productive, add value and become key team members. Those people probably make less money because t

by kfk 5y ago

The top people I met during my carrier always find ways to be productive, add value and become key team members. Those people probably make less money because they don't job hop as much, but they are valued a lot more by their bosses and peers. When I hire I try to find such people because I know I can trust them. Your knowledge, reputation, and trust is your biggest asset, it is much more valuable than a 30% salary increase today, in the long run I believe your "brand" is a much bigger driver of wealth than job hopping.

dalmo3 5y ago
> Those people probably make less money because they don't job hop as much > in the long run I believe your "brand" is a much bigger driver of wealth than job hopping This seems to imply that in the long run one can be "much" wealthier by... making less money? Compound interest comes to mind.
noahjk 5y ago
I think many would agree that reputation/"brand" doesn't pay the bills, and just like any social media platform, only the .01% of creators/employees actually benefit from having a "brand", while most spend a ton of time trying to create one without much luck. In the same way, I'd assume that it takes a lot to actually be a name which is associated with a "brand" in a tech field - many, I'm sure, have failed and wasted a lot of energy which could have been put towards living life outside of work
bad_good_guy 5y ago
> Those people probably make less money because they don't job hop as much, but they are valued a lot more by their bosses and peers If they were truly valued more by their bosses, they would be paid more. This is ridiculous, but not unsurprising coming from a recruiter
- aprdm 5y ago
  That depends. Not every industry or company has the margins of tech or a truck of VC money.
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    I don't know if it does depend. If you have low margins, but do a ton of volume in any industry, you should be able to generate more money by retaining good shipping ppl. That has a ceiling where competition won't pay more, or the business can't realistically afford you for some reason, but at that point you should probably move to where you can generate more with the same time, supposing that other factors aren't more important than the gain in $
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mattmanser 5y ago
Reading your two posts, it sounds more like you've got a bad code base, no-one wants to work on it and quickly flee when they've seen it. You're also a bad boss who never gives people payrises, and that's why you need to find people to "trust". I think we'll all be fine if there's another 2008 without your 30% below market rate jobs, thanks.
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brailsafe 5y ago
I think there is a fundamental disconnect between "top" people adding value and literally not being valued as high as another company. In my experience, a company that won't reward you more despite your measured contribution being valuable isn't worth a second thought. I'd go one step further, and point to the gaming industry whose primary reputation characteristic is leveraging talented people's motivation against them for executive and shareholder profit. I've also witnessed apparently "key" team members being refused a stake in the company, and that's just one more nail. If you ain't being valued accordingly, and you can't get a stake, find something else.
quickthrower2 5y ago
There is a tension there. Your ideal candidate is by definition not a candidate, or rarely a candidate. It’s an interesting situation. Companies are trying to make their founders billionaires, but we must begrudge and judge the workers for a chance of becoming a millionaire by playing it like business.

by kfk 5y ago

dalmo3 5y ago

> Those people probably make less money because they don't job hop as much > in the long run I believe your "brand" is a much bigger driver of wealth than job hopping This seems to imply that in the long run one can be "much" wealthier by... making less money? Compound interest comes to mind.

noahjk 5y ago

I think many would agree that reputation/"brand" doesn't pay the bills, and just like any social media platform, only the .01% of creators/employees actually benefit from having a "brand", while most spend a ton of time trying to create one without much luck. In the same way, I'd assume that it takes a lot to actually be a name which is associated with a "brand" in a tech field - many, I'm sure, have failed and wasted a lot of energy which could have been put towards living life outside of work

bad_good_guy 5y ago

> Those people probably make less money because they don't job hop as much, but they are valued a lot more by their bosses and peers If they were truly valued more by their bosses, they would be paid more. This is ridiculous, but not unsurprising coming from a recruiter

aprdm 5y ago
That depends. Not every industry or company has the margins of tech or a truck of VC money.
- brailsafe 5y ago
  I don't know if it does depend. If you have low margins, but do a ton of volume in any industry, you should be able to generate more money by retaining good shipping ppl. That has a ceiling where competition won't pay more, or the business can't realistically afford you for some reason, but at that point you should probably move to where you can generate more with the same time, supposing that other factors aren't more important than the gain in $
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mattmanser 5y ago

Reading your two posts, it sounds more like you've got a bad code base, no-one wants to work on it and quickly flee when they've seen it. You're also a bad boss who never gives people payrises, and that's why you need to find people to "trust". I think we'll all be fine if there's another 2008 without your 30% below market rate jobs, thanks.

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brailsafe 5y ago

I think there is a fundamental disconnect between "top" people adding value and literally not being valued as high as another company. In my experience, a company that won't reward you more despite your measured contribution being valuable isn't worth a second thought. I'd go one step further, and point to the gaming industry whose primary reputation characteristic is leveraging talented people's motivation against them for executive and shareholder profit. I've also witnessed apparently "key" team members being refused a stake in the company, and that's just one more nail. If you ain't being valued accordingly, and you can't get a stake, find something else.

quickthrower2 5y ago

There is a tension there. Your ideal candidate is by definition not a candidate, or rarely a candidate. It’s an interesting situation. Companies are trying to make their founders billionaires, but we must begrudge and judge the workers for a chance of becoming a millionaire by playing it like business.