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> without explicitly calling for violent uprisings, etc So that's the problem in this context. Twitter WAS being used to call for a violent uprising in the nam

by msravi 5y ago

> without explicitly calling for violent uprisings, etc So that's the problem in this context. Twitter WAS being used to call for a violent uprising in the name of a blatantly false non-existent "genocide": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27773994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27773994 To repeat, a farmer rammed a tractor into a barricade causing the tractor to overturn and was killed. The whole thing was clearly caught on camera[1][2]. Within minutes there were blatantly false tweets flying around saying that police had fired on the farmers and there was a genocide in progress (with an associated hashtag). Twitter refused to take down such blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets. 1. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/farmers-protest-one-dead-as-tractor-overturns-at-ito-area-in-delhi/videoshow/80467597.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio... 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSLaOMEzHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSLaOMEzHY

news_user 5y ago
Twitter did take down tweets and suspended accounts. They were reinstated.
- msravi 5y ago
  No, they did not take them down immediately (or even the same day) when it mattered. They took them down some 2 or 3 days or so after the incident, after the government cried foul and there was a big brouhaha about the whole thing. The new IT rules mandate a time-bound takedown for lawful requests. Hence the need for a compliance officer.
forcry 5y ago
>Twitter refused to take down such blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets. The problem of applying censorship to counter fake news is that the same thing can be applied to counter legit news as well. So such a precedent should never be set.
- msravi 5y ago
  That's a good philosophical position to take, except when you're in charge of the law and order of a city, and you have messages such as these doing the rounds in the midst of a large scale protest. The messages are used to legitimize people armed with daggers and sickles and machetes belonging to sundry outfits pouring out onto the streets and indulging in arson, rioting, and murder. The situation is not hypothetical. Twitter itself, of course, does not take that philosophical position.
  - forcry 5y ago
    > except when you're in charge of the law and order of a city, and you have messages such as these doing the rounds in the midst of a large scale protest. I think that cannot justify it. There are lines that should not be crossed, no matter what. Because if some kind of unrest gives you the justification to take some freedom away from the people, then nothing is preventing you from staging such an unrest, and proceeding to do exactly what you wanted. > legitimize people armed with daggers and sickles and machetes belonging to sundry outfits pouring out onto the streets and indulging in arson, rioting, and murder. Also can you give be some proof that this was happening?
    - msravi 5y ago
      > Also can you give be some proof that this was happening? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Farmers'_Republic_Day_protest#26_January_2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Farmers'_Republic_Day_pro... The agitating protestors vandalised a DTC bus and police vehicles. According to the police, the protestors used sticks, iron rods, pelted stones, while some Nihang protestors rode on horses fully equipped with deadly weapons like swords, kirpans and fursas and some protesters even used their tractors to run over the police. Some protesters driving their speeding tractors rammed barricades and attempted to mow down the policeman on duty Another example, another city, another social media post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Bangalore_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Bangalore_riots
      - 5y ago

by msravi 5y ago

news_user 5y ago

Twitter did take down tweets and suspended accounts. They were reinstated.

msravi 5y ago
No, they did not take them down immediately (or even the same day) when it mattered. They took them down some 2 or 3 days or so after the incident, after the government cried foul and there was a big brouhaha about the whole thing. The new IT rules mandate a time-bound takedown for lawful requests. Hence the need for a compliance officer.

forcry 5y ago

>Twitter refused to take down such blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets. The problem of applying censorship to counter fake news is that the same thing can be applied to counter legit news as well. So such a precedent should never be set.

msravi 5y ago
That's a good philosophical position to take, except when you're in charge of the law and order of a city, and you have messages such as these doing the rounds in the midst of a large scale protest. The messages are used to legitimize people armed with daggers and sickles and machetes belonging to sundry outfits pouring out onto the streets and indulging in arson, rioting, and murder. The situation is not hypothetical. Twitter itself, of course, does not take that philosophical position.
- forcry 5y ago
  > except when you're in charge of the law and order of a city, and you have messages such as these doing the rounds in the midst of a large scale protest. I think that cannot justify it. There are lines that should not be crossed, no matter what. Because if some kind of unrest gives you the justification to take some freedom away from the people, then nothing is preventing you from staging such an unrest, and proceeding to do exactly what you wanted. > legitimize people armed with daggers and sickles and machetes belonging to sundry outfits pouring out onto the streets and indulging in arson, rioting, and murder. Also can you give be some proof that this was happening?
  - msravi 5y ago
    > Also can you give be some proof that this was happening? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Farmers'_Republic_Day_protest#26_January_2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Farmers'_Republic_Day_pro... The agitating protestors vandalised a DTC bus and police vehicles. According to the police, the protestors used sticks, iron rods, pelted stones, while some Nihang protestors rode on horses fully equipped with deadly weapons like swords, kirpans and fursas and some protesters even used their tractors to run over the police. Some protesters driving their speeding tractors rammed barricades and attempted to mow down the policeman on duty Another example, another city, another social media post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Bangalore_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Bangalore_riots
    - 5y ago