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I've used photoshop, its UX wasn't nearly as bad. Me as a user had a pretty good experience with photoshop, but a really bad experience with gimp. Hence gimp ha

I've used photoshop, its UX wasn't nearly as bad. Me as a user had a pretty good experience with photoshop, but a really bad experience with gimp. Hence gimp has bad UX and photoshop has ok UX, according to me and most people I've seen. People trying to convince me and the other people that our experience wasn't all that bad with Gimp is the problem here, that attitude ensures Gimp will always have bad user experience.

zxzax 5y ago
Just to clarify, GIMP definitely has issues, and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But they are not issues that can be solved with more UX research or what you would typically call "UX work." That's what I think the misunderstanding here is, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. The UX issues that are there are already known, what's left is to do the (hard) work of fixing it.
- username90 5y ago
  I'd argue that UX requires a lot of engagement and work by software engineers. Sure it isn't work people with the title of "UX designer" or whatever would do, which is why the UX role is usually bullshit, but it is still work needed to fix the UX. And small developer led teams often refuse to bother to even consider that they have to change anything to fix these things.
  - zxzax 5y ago
    You are correct that it does, but not every change made by engineers is a UX change. But even if you want to think of it like that, the backend changes still need to happen first in order to get any significant UX change going. >small developer led teams often refuse to bother to even consider that they have to change anything to fix these things. The GIMP developers are aware of this pitfall and want to avoid it, there is even a FAQ entry about it: https://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#i-dont-like-gimps-user-interface-why-cant-you-just-copy-adobe-photoshop https://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#i-dont-like-gimps-use...
mch82 5y ago
Out of curiosity, what task were you using gimp/photoshop for: (a) edit a photo, (b) draw an illustration, (c) draw a diagram, (d) annotate an image or map?

zxzax 5y ago

Just to clarify, GIMP definitely has issues, and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But they are not issues that can be solved with more UX research or what you would typically call "UX work." That's what I think the misunderstanding here is, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. The UX issues that are there are already known, what's left is to do the (hard) work of fixing it.

username90 5y ago
I'd argue that UX requires a lot of engagement and work by software engineers. Sure it isn't work people with the title of "UX designer" or whatever would do, which is why the UX role is usually bullshit, but it is still work needed to fix the UX. And small developer led teams often refuse to bother to even consider that they have to change anything to fix these things.
- zxzax 5y ago
  You are correct that it does, but not every change made by engineers is a UX change. But even if you want to think of it like that, the backend changes still need to happen first in order to get any significant UX change going. >small developer led teams often refuse to bother to even consider that they have to change anything to fix these things. The GIMP developers are aware of this pitfall and want to avoid it, there is even a FAQ entry about it: https://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#i-dont-like-gimps-user-interface-why-cant-you-just-copy-adobe-photoshop https://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#i-dont-like-gimps-use...

mch82 5y ago

Out of curiosity, what task were you using gimp/photoshop for: (a) edit a photo, (b) draw an illustration, (c) draw a diagram, (d) annotate an image or map?