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these days "hate speech" usually means "speech I hate". facebook was somewhat neutral allowing both sides, left and right, to push their agendas in 2020. Censo

these days "hate speech" usually means "speech I hate". facebook was somewhat neutral allowing both sides, left and right, to push their agendas in 2020. Censorship would be much worse, and this NYT article seem to advocate for shutting down free speech.

mullingitover 5y ago
I feel like it's unfair to smear right-leaning political philosophy (limited government, low taxes, business-friendly environment) with the actions of the republican party base in 2020, which included but was not limited to: wild conspiracy theories about Covid-19 being both a complete hoax and a Chinese bioweapon, wild conspiracy theories about election rigging, and public health disinformation. There is reasonable right-leaning political thought that's worthy of debate and discussion, and that's not at all what 'the right' was spreading on facebook.
- morpheos137 5y ago
  It is also unfair to smear the washington consensus with the hysterical neo-mccarthyism of "Trump-Russia."
  - scumbagyou 5y ago
    Oh, roger, the guy with limited real world life experience, who diagnoses random people from a BSD terminal and says if they kill themselves they'd be cleaning the gene pool is talking again. Can't believe you were let out of your cage, you malicious creep. Wise up before someone wises you up without your consent.
- jfengel 5y ago
  You mention the "base", but the party as a whole overwhelmingly voted for candidates (including the one at the top) who espouse those conspiracy theories. They may prefer to believe that they're doing so out of abstract political values, but the elected candidates interpret it as endorsing those conspiracy theories, and act on that. Nor is it just voting. The former President had in-party approval ratings nearing 90%. That suggests that it's not just tolerating the misbehavior out of ideological disagreement with the opposition, but support for all aspects of it. I can't engage with "right-leaning political thought that's worthy of debate and discussion" because I'm dealing with the effects of conspiracy theorists in top offices. I don't really get to vote for right vs left any more; I have to vote with crazy vs at-least-not-crazy. And it's a coin toss whether I will win that. So I simply don't pay any attention to calls for calm discussion of abstract political ideals. They're simply not on the table come election time, and the elections have very serious consequences. I can't smear right-leaning political philosophy because it's simply not something that comes up.
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    You're totally correct, I was admittedly doing some sarcastic concern trolling (but with some sincerity! I do genuinely want the right to be mentally healthy) in response to the 'both sides'-ism in the grandparent's post.

mullingitover 5y ago

I feel like it's unfair to smear right-leaning political philosophy (limited government, low taxes, business-friendly environment) with the actions of the republican party base in 2020, which included but was not limited to: wild conspiracy theories about Covid-19 being both a complete hoax and a Chinese bioweapon, wild conspiracy theories about election rigging, and public health disinformation. There is reasonable right-leaning political thought that's worthy of debate and discussion, and that's not at all what 'the right' was spreading on facebook.

morpheos137 5y ago
It is also unfair to smear the washington consensus with the hysterical neo-mccarthyism of "Trump-Russia."
- scumbagyou 5y ago
  Oh, roger, the guy with limited real world life experience, who diagnoses random people from a BSD terminal and says if they kill themselves they'd be cleaning the gene pool is talking again. Can't believe you were let out of your cage, you malicious creep. Wise up before someone wises you up without your consent.
jfengel 5y ago
You mention the "base", but the party as a whole overwhelmingly voted for candidates (including the one at the top) who espouse those conspiracy theories. They may prefer to believe that they're doing so out of abstract political values, but the elected candidates interpret it as endorsing those conspiracy theories, and act on that. Nor is it just voting. The former President had in-party approval ratings nearing 90%. That suggests that it's not just tolerating the misbehavior out of ideological disagreement with the opposition, but support for all aspects of it. I can't engage with "right-leaning political thought that's worthy of debate and discussion" because I'm dealing with the effects of conspiracy theorists in top offices. I don't really get to vote for right vs left any more; I have to vote with crazy vs at-least-not-crazy. And it's a coin toss whether I will win that. So I simply don't pay any attention to calls for calm discussion of abstract political ideals. They're simply not on the table come election time, and the elections have very serious consequences. I can't smear right-leaning political philosophy because it's simply not something that comes up.
- mullingitover 5y ago
  You're totally correct, I was admittedly doing some sarcastic concern trolling (but with some sincerity! I do genuinely want the right to be mentally healthy) in response to the 'both sides'-ism in the grandparent's post.