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> your claim that it's obvious that there's coordinated censorship. > I don't think it is that obvious because, at least me personally, I haven't seen any evid

> your claim that it's obvious that there's coordinated censorship. > I don't think it is that obvious because, at least me personally, I haven't seen any evidence of this. Not going to argue one way or another on this, but I do want to point out that you can change some words around and end up with: "I think the downvotes are due to your claim that it's obvious there is systemic racism. I don't think it's obvious because I haven't seen evidence of it. Black people just happen to commit more crimes"

objectivetruth 5y ago
There are plenty of sites where somebody saying "systemic racism obviously exists" would be downvoted or whatever those sites' equivalents are. If I went on a right-wing website to promote CRT, is their userbase downvoting me "censorship" as well?
chomp 5y ago
I think I see where you're comparing the two, (I think) your claim is that both systemic racism and mass censorship are two nuanced topics that aren't observable directly. Which is (maybe) true. Where your analogy falls apart is that I can observe systemic racism using impartial statistics. When controlling for variables, there is imbalance that cannot be explained by anything else. When we look at statistics for right-wing censorship on platforms, they find that this isn't happening[1][2][3][4][5] I can sympathize with an emotional argument that it feels like it's happening, but when I look at the facts, I can't see any evidence. I can't say that about systemic racism. I am willing to be convinced though. [1] https://bhr.stern.nyu.edu/bias-report-release-page https://bhr.stern.nyu.edu/bias-report-release-page [2] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/new-study-finds-facebook-not-censoring-conservatives-despite-their-repeated-attacks https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/new-study-finds-facebo... [3] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/despite-bias-claims-facebook-not-censoring-conservatives https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/despite-bias-claims-fa... [4] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-facebook-still-not-censoring-conservatives https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-facebook-still-n... [5] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-right-wing-sources-dominate-abortion-related-news-facebook https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-right-wing-sourc...

objectivetruth 5y ago

There are plenty of sites where somebody saying "systemic racism obviously exists" would be downvoted or whatever those sites' equivalents are. If I went on a right-wing website to promote CRT, is their userbase downvoting me "censorship" as well?

chomp 5y ago

I think I see where you're comparing the two, (I think) your claim is that both systemic racism and mass censorship are two nuanced topics that aren't observable directly. Which is (maybe) true. Where your analogy falls apart is that I can observe systemic racism using impartial statistics. When controlling for variables, there is imbalance that cannot be explained by anything else. When we look at statistics for right-wing censorship on platforms, they find that this isn't happening[1][2][3][4][5] I can sympathize with an emotional argument that it feels like it's happening, but when I look at the facts, I can't see any evidence. I can't say that about systemic racism. I am willing to be convinced though. [1] https://bhr.stern.nyu.edu/bias-report-release-page https://bhr.stern.nyu.edu/bias-report-release-page [2] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/new-study-finds-facebook-not-censoring-conservatives-despite-their-repeated-attacks https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/new-study-finds-facebo... [3] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/despite-bias-claims-facebook-not-censoring-conservatives https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/despite-bias-claims-fa... [4] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-facebook-still-not-censoring-conservatives https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-facebook-still-n... [5] https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-right-wing-sources-dominate-abortion-related-news-facebook https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/study-right-wing-sourc...