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> Plenty of non-governmental organisations are violent. The existence of private security firms is an obvious example of this. These organizations are either g

> Plenty of non-governmental organisations are violent. The existence of private security firms is an obvious example of this. These organizations are either government sanctioned or considered criminal. The libertarian viewpoint on this is that all initiation of force is criminal. > if you support a minimal government that enforces private property rights I don't support that. I think individuals should take the protection of themselves and their property seriously. And no, I don't just mean having a gun, but instead seeking a place that honors private property and or paying for protection services as needed. Everything the government provides, a private entity can as well.

nicoburns 5y ago
> The libertarian viewpoint on this is that all initiation of force is criminal. What count as initiation of force? If I walk into your house and take your things, am I initiating use of force? If I want to live somewhere where that is not the norm, how am I supposed to find that place? It seems very idealistic to me that such a place could exist without it being enforced somehow. > instead seeking a place that honors private property and or paying for protection services as needed. Everything the government provides, a private entity can as well. If that private entity makes that provision through the use of force, do they not then constitute a government of sorts? If they do not use force, then how do they manage to make that provision at all?
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"paying for protection services as needed." I can't wait untill we have two different "protection services" come into conflict because they are "protecting" different things and we have shootouts on the streets. Much like the latest incident with Vigilante app, but imagine both entities had good for hire https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447446/citizen-app-internal-slack-palisades-fire-arson-bounty-manhunt-los-angeles https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447446/citizen-app-inte...

nicoburns 5y ago

> The libertarian viewpoint on this is that all initiation of force is criminal. What count as initiation of force? If I walk into your house and take your things, am I initiating use of force? If I want to live somewhere where that is not the norm, how am I supposed to find that place? It seems very idealistic to me that such a place could exist without it being enforced somehow. > instead seeking a place that honors private property and or paying for protection services as needed. Everything the government provides, a private entity can as well. If that private entity makes that provision through the use of force, do they not then constitute a government of sorts? If they do not use force, then how do they manage to make that provision at all?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"paying for protection services as needed." I can't wait untill we have two different "protection services" come into conflict because they are "protecting" different things and we have shootouts on the streets. Much like the latest incident with Vigilante app, but imagine both entities had good for hire https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447446/citizen-app-internal-slack-palisades-fire-arson-bounty-manhunt-los-angeles https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447446/citizen-app-inte...