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> You may not care if your current employer considers you a bad hire or not, and that's fine. In our industry, in this market, you can get away with that. Some

> You may not care if your current employer considers you a bad hire or not, and that's fine. In our industry, in this market, you can get away with that. Some of us hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is just silly. Your argument is that you would care if your employer developed ridiculous and contrived metrics and then assessed your value based on them? I don't really think your holier-than-thou statement makes much sense in that capacity. As I said, equity drives investment. If you don't own a percentage of the success, you're trading time for money. This is neither new nor controversial. Any suggestions otherwise are, again, hustle culture propaganda.

mdoms 5y ago
It's like you skipped over my entire post and only read the last sentence. > Your argument is that you would care if your employer developed ridiculous and contrived metrics and then assessed your value based on them? No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways.
- void_mint 5y ago
  > No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways. Remove developer and answer again.
  - mdoms 5y ago
    "I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways" ??
    - void_mint 5y ago
      > "I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways" You're just....saying things...? What does "Caring about the end user" have to do with "Believing in your product"?
      - cercatrova 5y ago
        You told them to remove "developer" from their sentence and they did, that's how the sentence now reads. I didn't get your point either above.
throwaway98797 5y ago
Dare to care. It may surprise you. If you take mercantile view of the world then that’s how the world will treat you.
- void_mint 5y ago
  More nonsense. I care hard about things that care about me, aka not businesses that I do not have a stake in.
  - saurik 5y ago
    Then ask for a stake? This is why so many people are paid part of their salary in stock options.
    - void_mint 5y ago
      Yep, I do. But lots of employers don't offer any form of equity as compensation. The same employers that demand their employees to be "invested" in the company.

mdoms 5y ago

It's like you skipped over my entire post and only read the last sentence. > Your argument is that you would care if your employer developed ridiculous and contrived metrics and then assessed your value based on them? No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways.

void_mint 5y ago
> No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways. Remove developer and answer again.
- mdoms 5y ago
  "I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways" ??
  - void_mint 5y ago
    > "I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways" You're just....saying things...? What does "Caring about the end user" have to do with "Believing in your product"?
    - cercatrova 5y ago
      You told them to remove "developer" from their sentence and they did, that's how the sentence now reads. I didn't get your point either above.

throwaway98797 5y ago

Dare to care. It may surprise you. If you take mercantile view of the world then that’s how the world will treat you.

void_mint 5y ago
More nonsense. I care hard about things that care about me, aka not businesses that I do not have a stake in.
- saurik 5y ago
  Then ask for a stake? This is why so many people are paid part of their salary in stock options.
  - void_mint 5y ago
    Yep, I do. But lots of employers don't offer any form of equity as compensation. The same employers that demand their employees to be "invested" in the company.