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> Kube abstracts the compute and load balancing capabilities to a bare level. > Everything else can be implemented within kube for at-cost prices. Until you n

> Kube abstracts the compute and load balancing capabilities to a bare level. > Everything else can be implemented within kube for at-cost prices. Until you need something more than a bare service with nothing in it: anything from messaging to databases to storage. Companies don't usually run a bare-bones service in a kubernetes cluster. It needs to connect somewhere and do stuff. For example, we use BigQuery on GCP. Any idea how it "can be implemented within kube for at-cost prices"?

gravypod 5y ago
Don't use services that lock you in. Instead use a layer that abstracts that. In the past I think I have heard of people using Presto for similar operations and that can be self hosted. I would never build a company on top of tech I can only get from one place. Regardless of the layer in the stack. If it's abstracted behind an agreed upon industry standard protocol (MySQL, pg, mongo connections or S3/NFS storage, etc)? Sure. If it's special sauce? No way. My $Job-1 is migrating the stack I setup from Azure to GCP and it's been fairly painless from what I heard (only taking a few weeks to make an account, test, then move everything over).
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > Don't use services that lock you in. Why, if they bring value? > Instead use a layer that abstracts that. How can I "abstract" BigQuery? > If it's abstracted behind an agreed upon industry standard protocol (MySQL, pg, mongo connections or S3/NFS storage, etc)? This still doesn't answer the question of "can be implemented within kube for at-cost prices." BigQuery is amazing at processing enormous amounts of data at fraction of time and cost it would take, say, MySQL to process the same data. How can I "abstract it away" and "implement it at cost with kube". Even if it's purely standard stuff like PubSubs, or Apache Beam, there are value-added options that are hard to get from other providers (or implement yourself): anything from monitoring to management to scaling to... I'm not to crazy about vendor lock-ins myself, but "abstract everything away and you can easily move over if needed" is largely a myth.

gravypod 5y ago

Don't use services that lock you in. Instead use a layer that abstracts that. In the past I think I have heard of people using Presto for similar operations and that can be self hosted. I would never build a company on top of tech I can only get from one place. Regardless of the layer in the stack. If it's abstracted behind an agreed upon industry standard protocol (MySQL, pg, mongo connections or S3/NFS storage, etc)? Sure. If it's special sauce? No way. My $Job-1 is migrating the stack I setup from Azure to GCP and it's been fairly painless from what I heard (only taking a few weeks to make an account, test, then move everything over).

dmitriid 5y ago
> Don't use services that lock you in. Why, if they bring value? > Instead use a layer that abstracts that. How can I "abstract" BigQuery? > If it's abstracted behind an agreed upon industry standard protocol (MySQL, pg, mongo connections or S3/NFS storage, etc)? This still doesn't answer the question of "can be implemented within kube for at-cost prices." BigQuery is amazing at processing enormous amounts of data at fraction of time and cost it would take, say, MySQL to process the same data. How can I "abstract it away" and "implement it at cost with kube". Even if it's purely standard stuff like PubSubs, or Apache Beam, there are value-added options that are hard to get from other providers (or implement yourself): anything from monitoring to management to scaling to... I'm not to crazy about vendor lock-ins myself, but "abstract everything away and you can easily move over if needed" is largely a myth.