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"LMGT(FY)" is a disrespectful, counter-productive, and weaselly response. Please don't use it. If you make a claim, it's your responsibility to provide evidence

by fouric 5y ago

"LMGT(FY)" is a disrespectful, counter-productive, and weaselly response. Please don't use it. If you make a claim, it's your responsibility to provide evidence (including links) to back it up, and anyone who has actually used Google extensively knows that (1) search results vary per user due to search bubbling and (2) search result quality (and precision) can vary wildly depending on the exact query used.

EliRivers 5y ago
Normally I'd agree, but in this case, BobbyJo absolutely asked for it. It would have taken ten seconds to find a huge amount of material on Uber's law-breaking, and to pretend that one never even heard of such a thing and that Uber is totally law-abiding? Bullshit; it's like asking for citations that water is wet. BobbyJo even came back to snark about downvotes. BobbyJo chose to be a passive-aggressive dickhead, and deserved to get exactly the same back. You'll note I did actually then provide some actual references. In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point.
- fouric 5y ago
  > In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point. This is absolutely against HN guidelines, general common decency, and just pure logic. You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't. Even in cases where the information is easily found, there are polite ways to say that, and you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner.
  - EliRivers 5y ago
    you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner. Yes, EXACTLY so. Choosing to be polite or not is part of expression. Active choice of politeness (or not) adds layers to meaning and communication. In this case, part of choosing to be impolite is expressing that BobbyJo didn't deserve politeness here. Conversely, sometimes being polite is itself brutally insulting. In this case, it would have been passive-aggressively treating BobbyJo like a child; far more insulting. You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't. Of course I can make that decision. Just did. You might subscribe to a set of rules in which I don't get to make that decision; I clearly do not subscribe to that. I note that I certainly won't be telling you who you should and should not be polite to, though.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      HNs rules aren't tailored toward maximizing expression. They are tailored toward maximizing discussion and information exchange. Impoliteness, while certainly a form of expression, is detrimental to discussion, hence it being frowned upon here. If your goal is simply self expression for its own sake, visual arts likely would provide a better medium than internet discussion boards.
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  Asking for a citation is asking for bad manners? Normally, if you posit something, it's on you to back it up, or admit it's pure anecdote or impression. I don't see how asking for a piece of information that's claimed to exist somewhere in the world is disrespectful. Also, I did look it up. None of the articles I saw specifically called out laws Uber was guilty of breaking as a corporate entity, instead they all reference grey area behavior and use words like 'skirting' or 'undermining.'

by fouric 5y ago

EliRivers 5y ago

Normally I'd agree, but in this case, BobbyJo absolutely asked for it. It would have taken ten seconds to find a huge amount of material on Uber's law-breaking, and to pretend that one never even heard of such a thing and that Uber is totally law-abiding? Bullshit; it's like asking for citations that water is wet. BobbyJo even came back to snark about downvotes. BobbyJo chose to be a passive-aggressive dickhead, and deserved to get exactly the same back. You'll note I did actually then provide some actual references. In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point.

fouric 5y ago
> In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point. This is absolutely against HN guidelines, general common decency, and just pure logic. You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't. Even in cases where the information is easily found, there are polite ways to say that, and you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner.
- EliRivers 5y ago
  you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner. Yes, EXACTLY so. Choosing to be polite or not is part of expression. Active choice of politeness (or not) adds layers to meaning and communication. In this case, part of choosing to be impolite is expressing that BobbyJo didn't deserve politeness here. Conversely, sometimes being polite is itself brutally insulting. In this case, it would have been passive-aggressively treating BobbyJo like a child; far more insulting. You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't. Of course I can make that decision. Just did. You might subscribe to a set of rules in which I don't get to make that decision; I clearly do not subscribe to that. I note that I certainly won't be telling you who you should and should not be polite to, though.
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    HNs rules aren't tailored toward maximizing expression. They are tailored toward maximizing discussion and information exchange. Impoliteness, while certainly a form of expression, is detrimental to discussion, hence it being frowned upon here. If your goal is simply self expression for its own sake, visual arts likely would provide a better medium than internet discussion boards.
BobbyJo 5y ago
Asking for a citation is asking for bad manners? Normally, if you posit something, it's on you to back it up, or admit it's pure anecdote or impression. I don't see how asking for a piece of information that's claimed to exist somewhere in the world is disrespectful. Also, I did look it up. None of the articles I saw specifically called out laws Uber was guilty of breaking as a corporate entity, instead they all reference grey area behavior and use words like 'skirting' or 'undermining.'