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I want to do a basic thing in gimp, draw a circle. How do you do that? First you click the rectangle button, then you select "elipse select", then you select an

I want to do a basic thing in gimp, draw a circle. How do you do that? First you click the rectangle button, then you select "elipse select", then you select an area, then you click edit and fill with color. This flow is much more unintuitive compared to anything else I've seen, why would you click on the rectangle to draw an ellipse? And then suddenly that button is no an ellipse, so next time you want to draw a rectangle you now have to click on the ellipse button and switch it back to a rectangle. And that is just one thing, the whole program is littered with small obnoxious design decisions like that. Maybe you can learn to get used to it after a while, but if you have to go through a tutorial and get lost the first 20 times you try to draw a basic shape then your drawing program has bad UX. In the end you will learn that the ellipse button and rectangle button are the same things etc, but until you learn all those things the program is just frustrating to use.

zxzax 5y ago
That again is not a UX issue, that is a lack of shape tools for that particular workflow. Like, this is not something you can fix just by moving some buttons around or by changing the name of the ellipse tool to circle draw tool and having it fill automatically (i.e. bugfix-type things that a UX person would do), somebody has to implement an entirely new feature for that to work the way you are expecting, and then it would need to be redesigned as well. And GIMP historically has not been focused on shape drawing. If you want an open source program that focuses on shapes and vector drawing, you may want to use Krita or Inkscape. Or you can try developing what you're looking for as a GIMP plugin, and the going from there and trying to get it merged upstream if it's popular enough.
- username90 5y ago
  UX is User Experience, not User Interface. Lack of tools to do things quickly and easily with discoverability is a huge UX issue. And then the rectangle button changing to an ellipse button just because that was the most recent sub tool you used is a UX issue that is purely in the UI. I probably lost several hours to that until I understood what happened, because I couldn't find the buttons I wanted to click on and then assumed I had to look for them elsewhere etc. And it still is bad even after I learned that since everywhere I look at tutorials how to do stuff the menu looks different since they had different previously active tools so it is a pain trying to figure out what to click.
  - zxzax 5y ago
    What you're saying doesn't really make any sense to me, that's like saying you bought a sedan and found that it didn't have a pickup bed, so now it's a UX issue because you couldn't quickly and easily figure out how to move a refrigerator with it. Not everything is going to have the same tools, or support the same workflows. Maybe that's a problem that needs solving but it can't be solved by UX designers trying to redesign the sedan -- you would just get a trailer and put the refrigerator in that. You're right about the tool menus, those are an actual UI issue, but they can be disabled. Maybe they should be disabled by default? I can't say.
    - username90 5y ago
      Drawing a circle isn't a new feature, the feature already exists in the program. It is just that the workflow to use the feature is very burdensome, all they need is a button that does several of the steps at once. It wouldn't implement any new behaviour, it is just a quick button. Now, it would take some work to implement those quick buttons, sure, but that is purely an UX change it doesn't add any new capabilities to the program, it just makes some actions easier to do. Basically, the feature lacking in the program are those "quick buttons" which would make adding these simple UX fixes easy rather than burdensome engineering work.
      - zxzax 5y ago
        And I'm saying you're mistaken, that feature never really existed. Trying to hack the ellipse tool into "quick buttons" to draw circles would not be what is expected, would not match the capability of other vector drawing tools, and would probably create other UX issues in the process. But of course, if you thought that was a good idea, you could easily make a plugin that does that, and test it out for yourself.
        username90 5y ago
        I think this discussion highlights perfectly why Gimps UX sucks. It is because the people who made it has a view on UX like you do and refuse to put in the work to fix it, with arguments such as "That isn't an UX issue" and so on. Fact is that Gimps UX sucks and people will have to live with it since it is a free product so the developers don't have any reason to do what you want. Anyway, you might be right about this issue, I am not an expert on image editing. However I do understand UX and your view on development will lead to horrible UX like what you have in Gimp. It might work great in enterprise products where you sell features and not UX, but a product intended to be used by normal users needs more work on UX for people to like them.

zxzax 5y ago

That again is not a UX issue, that is a lack of shape tools for that particular workflow. Like, this is not something you can fix just by moving some buttons around or by changing the name of the ellipse tool to circle draw tool and having it fill automatically (i.e. bugfix-type things that a UX person would do), somebody has to implement an entirely new feature for that to work the way you are expecting, and then it would need to be redesigned as well. And GIMP historically has not been focused on shape drawing. If you want an open source program that focuses on shapes and vector drawing, you may want to use Krita or Inkscape. Or you can try developing what you're looking for as a GIMP plugin, and the going from there and trying to get it merged upstream if it's popular enough.

username90 5y ago
UX is User Experience, not User Interface. Lack of tools to do things quickly and easily with discoverability is a huge UX issue. And then the rectangle button changing to an ellipse button just because that was the most recent sub tool you used is a UX issue that is purely in the UI. I probably lost several hours to that until I understood what happened, because I couldn't find the buttons I wanted to click on and then assumed I had to look for them elsewhere etc. And it still is bad even after I learned that since everywhere I look at tutorials how to do stuff the menu looks different since they had different previously active tools so it is a pain trying to figure out what to click.
- zxzax 5y ago
  What you're saying doesn't really make any sense to me, that's like saying you bought a sedan and found that it didn't have a pickup bed, so now it's a UX issue because you couldn't quickly and easily figure out how to move a refrigerator with it. Not everything is going to have the same tools, or support the same workflows. Maybe that's a problem that needs solving but it can't be solved by UX designers trying to redesign the sedan -- you would just get a trailer and put the refrigerator in that. You're right about the tool menus, those are an actual UI issue, but they can be disabled. Maybe they should be disabled by default? I can't say.
  - username90 5y ago
    Drawing a circle isn't a new feature, the feature already exists in the program. It is just that the workflow to use the feature is very burdensome, all they need is a button that does several of the steps at once. It wouldn't implement any new behaviour, it is just a quick button. Now, it would take some work to implement those quick buttons, sure, but that is purely an UX change it doesn't add any new capabilities to the program, it just makes some actions easier to do. Basically, the feature lacking in the program are those "quick buttons" which would make adding these simple UX fixes easy rather than burdensome engineering work.
    - zxzax 5y ago
      And I'm saying you're mistaken, that feature never really existed. Trying to hack the ellipse tool into "quick buttons" to draw circles would not be what is expected, would not match the capability of other vector drawing tools, and would probably create other UX issues in the process. But of course, if you thought that was a good idea, you could easily make a plugin that does that, and test it out for yourself.
      - username90 5y ago
        I think this discussion highlights perfectly why Gimps UX sucks. It is because the people who made it has a view on UX like you do and refuse to put in the work to fix it, with arguments such as "That isn't an UX issue" and so on. Fact is that Gimps UX sucks and people will have to live with it since it is a free product so the developers don't have any reason to do what you want. Anyway, you might be right about this issue, I am not an expert on image editing. However I do understand UX and your view on development will lead to horrible UX like what you have in Gimp. It might work great in enterprise products where you sell features and not UX, but a product intended to be used by normal users needs more work on UX for people to like them.